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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Mar 13, 2012 - 02:35pm PT
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Watching Chris Linder get screamed at by his dad at Willimason for failing on a climb. The dad went on to scream at the mom too. Both Chris and the mom in tears and the dad fuming. I'm told that thats ok though. If the dad wasnt agro i may have stepped in. Looks like Chris did ok in the end but I will never forget that explosion.
Seen lots of death and mayhem at work being a firefighter/paramedic in Los Angeles through the 80's until the present, 7-10 more years and I am outa there.
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 13, 2012 - 02:52pm PT
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Seen lots of death and mayhem at work
Ain't that the truth, Batrock.
It would be stupid to describe in detail some those here.
We probably would get banned .....
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Mar 13, 2012 - 04:23pm PT
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Yep, it turns into a game of trying to one up the next story. All are sad and traumatic for someone. I used to think it didnt have any affect on me, the stuff I saw at work, but slowly over time it builds up. Best to have someone to talk to and a healthy diversion from work, like climbing :)
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Mar 13, 2012 - 04:35pm PT
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I admire, but don't envy you folks in SAR, fire and police depts., paramedics, etc.
I helped in a body recovery following an 800 ft fall at Tahquitz once, and the experience affected me profoundly. It gave me a glimpse into the world of ptsd, no big deal, but enough that I have a deep compassion for those who deal with that on a large scale.
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Friedo
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe
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Mar 13, 2012 - 04:50pm PT
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This is a reply to Silver on the first page:
Silver,
I can't even imagine how horrified you must have been. I recently saw a dog get hit on hwy 395 in Carson. I was in the left turn lane and the dog was coming toward me from the other side. I watched in horror as three cars slammed on their brakes and stopped, but the fourth car never saw her and crushed her right at the center divider about 20 feet in front of me. The car just rolled right over her and drove off. I got out and scooped her up and drove her to the emergency vet about a quarter mile away. She didn't make it...obviously.
I was covered in blood and other bodily fluids and in shock for quite some time. When I got home and took off the bloody clothes I just hugged my two dogs for hours.
On another note, when you mentioned getting out of the street as fast as possible, doesn't it just blow your mind how so many people take their sweet as time crossing the street? They always assume the cars will stop. Well, guess what? If they don't stop (maybe their texting or something), then you're DEAD!
I always make sure the cars are stopping before even stepping out into the street...
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 13, 2012 - 05:07pm PT
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Speaking of disturbing sounds, one night in josh I was awoken by a loud cracking noise. Turned out a drunken partyer had fallen out of the space station and grounded. Not many feet from where I was sleeping under the stars. The sound I heard was his pelvis cracking .
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 13, 2012 - 05:15pm PT
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This was a nasty pelvis job near the summit of Mt Stuart in the Cascades.
But I include it 'cause it was a happy ending, not that he didn't try his
darndest otherwise. He (some hot-sh*t NOLS guy - an oxymoron?) and his wife were walking
along some ledge with the rope looped over their shoulders when he tripped on a rock
and went over the edge! Somehow his wife managed to fly her way
into a chimney wherein she further managed to become a human chockstone and
stop the two of them! Hoh, man! She was in amazingly good shape - nothing
major broken!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 13, 2012 - 05:21pm PT
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Yikes!
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Mar 13, 2012 - 06:06pm PT
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Watching Chris Linder get screamed at by his dad at Willimason for failing on a climb. The dad went on to scream at the mom too. Both Chris and the mom in tears and the dad fuming. I'm told that thats ok though. If the dad wasnt agro i may have stepped in. Looks like Chris did ok in the end but I will never forget that explosion. Mr Linder arrived at a climb I had just finished and proceeded to tell me all my mistakes in protecting the pitch. Then he started having these "private" conversations with others in his group about broken backs, etc. I'd been climbing ~25 yrs, didn't really feel I had made any mistakes with the pitch beyond personal preferences. He was obviously just humping my leg.
I started having a "private" conversation of my own with my partner - mostly about how we needed to immedately leave the area. As I was walking away, Linder Jr spouts out from the top of his climb about how if I had something to say, I should say it. I turned around, looked right at him and said "I think you should mind your own business, kid". He FLIPPED. He started hopping up and down like a 3 year old and moved toward me. Sr. stopped him. Total fukking tantrum.
Anyway - your story cracks me up. What a family.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Mar 13, 2012 - 06:26pm PT
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So do you have an idea NOW why some of us are posting about male/female relationships that are violent ??? You know Tami, I see quite a gulf between the OP's story and anything that involves anything close to what I would call "violent".
I see your points and generally agree with them, but I also see the realities and difficulties of putting up with someone's childhood dysfunctions from within the context of an intimate relationship. An outsider has no clue, and no basis for judgement.
I can only ask - a little crying and screaming - I mean, really? I can't imagine a person foreign to such blow-ups has ever been in a relationship lasting more than a few months. I'd say similar blow-ups are 100% common among everyone I know.
I hope they grow from the experience and eventually learn to work through their crap in a more mature and productive way - for sure. It's a process, though - a longer and more difficult one for some than others...
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 13, 2012 - 06:52pm PT
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Who said anything about "an intimate relationship," JLP? (John, is it?)
To paraphrase your own words from yesterday
It's telling you read into it ........ I think that says more about you than them, IMO.
Do you assume all climbers are in "intimate relationships" with the people with whom they climb? Snap judgements like that are disturbing in themselves.
Edit for comment below; so anyone that can make another person cry is proven to be in an intimate relationship with that person? That's your stance?
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Mar 13, 2012 - 06:55pm PT
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If he can make her cry...
My comments stand.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 13, 2012 - 07:02pm PT
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My comments stand.
Even after the email I sent you yesterday? You enough to know better than that.
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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Mar 13, 2012 - 07:11pm PT
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I'll start off;
Some recent threads have made me think about something that has been nagging at me for a while.
We have all witnessed the male-female partner melt-downs of various kinds at the crags, but a little while back I witnessed a most horrifying and depressing event. A male-female team was preparing for a photo shoot. She was clearly the stronger climber, but the guy was on edge about something. He was made a number of little jabs at her, really getting under her skin, it was weird. Then, all of a sudden he starts tearing into her, SCREAMING at her until she starts to cry.
Just then the photographer showed up. He has NO idea what was going on and this guy who had been screaming is instantaneously Mr Charming, apologizing for his partner's "moodiness" and pretending he's super concerned about her.
It was clear that this guy was just trying to sabotage her and f*#k with her head,to throw her off before she got on a dangerous route in front of a photographer. Whether to make her look bad, or to concoct a situation where he looks good by coming to her aid, was not clear. Perhaps just into punishing women because he's too timid to confront men?
What father or brother out there doesn't live in fear of something like that (generally not quite this dramatic or public) happening to a woman in his family? Truly a parent's nightmare.
The way it looked was that he was putting her in serious danger. It was clearly a bad situation for her -- if she left the shoot she looked like the "moody partner." He began "apologizing" for her. If she stayed she had to climb a dangerous route in a less than positive mental state.
Just an example, though the worst one, from a series of similar instances. I might not have believed in the credibility of other accounts like this I had heard of, had I not been present particularly for this one.
What would you do?
Probably tell the dude to chill then console the girl with my penis and suave personality.
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TWP
Trad climber
Mancos, CO
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Mar 13, 2012 - 08:06pm PT
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When I read this post, my first reaction was "Sure glad I've never experienced anything 'disturbing' enough to add to this thread. On reflection, I realized my error. In fact, the event profoundly and permanently affected my view of life.
I lived in India with my parents between 1955-57, ages 4 - 6. We passed through Calcutta's (now spelled Kolkata) infamous Howrah Railway station several times. Beggars lined the passage ways through which pedestrians had to pass. These throngs of pathetic, pleading paupers included many maimed children (nails through tongues, broken limbs contourted into horrifying positions, etc.).
My little mind realized (without being told by adults) that these children had been deliberately mutilated by their parents to make them more abject, pitiful objects to increase their value as beggars. First realization: human are horrible to each other; the world is a miserable place. By the next leap of logic I wondered if my own secure world might be in jeopardy of someday experiencing a turn of fate suffered by these children. The logic made me suspicious of the transientness of all human happiness, contentment, complacency and security in this lifetime. I was no longer a child. Upon return the U.S. I had a very hard time relating to the smug, completely confident and materially privileged lot of my American peers.
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 13, 2012 - 08:22pm PT
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TWP
Your reply is exactly the kind of reply I so much always look for but is so incredible rare, almost non existent at times.
Instead almost always "smug, completely confident and materially privileged lot" is the defacto standard here.
Good on ya ......
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KaiPL
Mountain climber
Boulder, Colorado
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Mar 13, 2012 - 08:49pm PT
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I saw a guy beating the sh#t out of his girlfriend. Full on punched her in the face and stomach repteatedly, and when she fell to the ground, he began kicking her while she was down.
I intervened and stopped it as quickly as I could get there, but the girl was angry at me for hurting her boyfriend, called me all kind of nasty names.
When the police showed up, she contradicted all the eye-witnesses and said her boyfriend hadn't hurt her (in spite of a major black eye, smashed lip and swelling/bleeding nose.
To the girl, I was the bad guy for intervening, and she told me more than once I should just mind my own f-ing business. She left the scene with her creepy boyfriend.
I don't know if I was more disturbed by her boyfriend's violence towards her, or by her willingness to take his beatings and stay with him.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 13, 2012 - 08:55pm PT
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Unfortunately that's the typical outcome of domestic violence incidents and the reason that LEOs hate responding to them.
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