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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 5, 2012 - 04:26pm PT
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Thought I'd repost for ease of finding the podcast info for Larry's talk today:
https://connect.cuonline.edu/larryhamilton
My understanding is that it is easy to do this. Enter as "guest". If you go to the page before the podcast is turned on, it won't work. So try again.
It will be taped and I'll provide a link after the talk for those who want to watch it any other time.
Hope everyone can join in.
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cowpoke
climber
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Looking forward to tuning in to the podcast.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 5, 2012 - 07:40pm PT
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Thanks for those the came in person and joined us via Podcast. Lots of interesting things to consider. A super fun time. Now to get Chiloe out here more!
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cowpoke
climber
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Fascinating talk and fascinating data, Larry – I really love the way you’ve taken advantage of the public data!
(and thanks for publicizing the podcast, Crimpergirl!)
I know you're heading out with family, but wanted to write down a question before I forget it. Feel free to answer or ignore at your convenience, including while belaying me (gonna be mid-60's and dry this week on the right coast!).
It was a little difficult to read axis labels on the interaction fit plots, but hopefully I’ve got the basic idea; and, wasn’t always possible to hear the questions, so I apologize if you discussed this.
It looked (and sounded) like you were displaying – for the second interaction – the moderating effect of political ideology for the association between science literacy and concern for climate changing consequences. If that sounds about right, then it seems that you are proposing science literacy (or education, in the first plot) is acting as a proxy for: (a) exposure to the data, (b) exposure to the types of ideologically-based information sources to which you eluded, or (c) the additive (interacting?) effects of both (a) and (b). And, if I’ve got all that right, then here is my long-winded question:
Given the cognitive-schema disconfirmation theory you lay out (nice job dipping into psychology...also noticed the attitude-behavior comment as you'll see), it seems to me that whether or not it takes exposure to the data on climate/polar regions (e.g., reading your paper) plus ideologically-biased information is an empirical question, albeit one that might be tricky to answer.
As you allude to in your talk, values have always trumped data; we haven’t needed the internet for that. As such, I wonder: to what extent is or isn’t the internet (or any media for that matter) exacerbating this phenomenon, above and beyond what we would expect simply through exposing people to data they don’t like?
What do you think would happen if you were able to disentangle the two?
Would you, for example, see a similar interaction effect if you experimentally manipulated exposure to novel climate/polar data (no story, just the data on climate change) that indicated a “story” consistent with a warming climate caused by humans?
Would you get a smaller effect than data plus media?
I ask (and I'm a bit skeptical about the media role), in part, because one of my undergrad students recently demonstrated in a small experiment that exposing people to data on poverty in the US (e.g., data demonstrating the fact that most poor children in the US have at least one working parent) exacerbated ideological splits: conservatives and liberals held statistically-indistinguishable attitudes toward solving poverty in conditions in which they were not exposed to the data, but if exposed to the data they displayed stereotypically split attitudes (e.g., democrats heavily favoring redistribution policies and republicans heavily favoring work requirements for welfare). Seems like a related phenomenon to what you are observing.
Attitudes might be driving behavior (the use of internet sites that are ideologically biased), in this case rather than the opposite. Indeed, the attitude research to which you refer is really about changing attitudes or about moral/ethical attitudes and behavior...and the two are not often correlated, which is not the same as saying that behavior drives attitudes.
For the most part, I'm just playing devil's advocate, but convince me that the internet is a cause rather than an effect.
But, in the meantime = Cheers -- you rock, dude.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 5, 2012 - 08:10pm PT
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Thanks for joining in Cowpoke. I'm sure Larry will see this when he gets home. I will have (hopefully tomorrow) a link that you can watch the presentation at your leisure. Sorry the labels didn't come through clearly.
Lots of interesting stuff and a terrific audience as well. We had academics, politicians, activists, students, etc.
The student Larry mentioned the recycling literature to is a current student of mine who unbeknownst to Larry is focused on recycling behavior! He major project (turned in this morning) is about behavior associated with that. Cool coincidence.
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cowpoke
climber
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Sorry the labels didn't come through clearly. oh, no complaints from me -- it was actually a very nice set up with the shot of the room on the left and the slides on the right. Problem was that I didn't realize I could blow up the slides to full screen until it was too late. But, very cool to get to watch from afar. thanks!
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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A very good presentation, filled to overflowing!
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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SteveW, good to see you there. Next time at someplace with beer!
Cowpoke, we need some long drives to N Cornflake to talk this stuff over. Your experimental outlook adds a whole 'nother dimension that I haven't thought through at all.
Crimpie, thanks for organizing what turned out to be a quite successful gig!
cheers,
L
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Jennie, that's a tougher 'science literacy' test than what the General Social Survey uses. For example, they ask whether it's true or false that an electron is smaller than an atom. Even as a T-F question, only 53% got that right.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Due to global warming, this is the very last patch of snow left in Colorado.
Good riddance, you can see it's making BrassNuts very cold.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Jennie, that's a tougher 'science literacy' test than what the General Social Survey uses.
There are several science literacy tests on the web, Chiloe. I liked this one because I got 100%...I missed a few questions on other tests. This one has clearer wording than some others.
Good pic of Brassnuts.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 6, 2012 - 10:26pm PT
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Still waiting (not so patiently) on the link that will allow folks to watch (or re-watch) the talk at their leisure. I'll post it here as soon as I get it.
It was really great fun. I received many emails today from people thanking me (me!?!?!) for this excellent presentation. So I extend the thanks to their proper home: Chiloe.
Here are a few fun photos from the event.
Chiloe had some real admirers at the event. One individual in particular was totally star-stuck. :)
Also, it was so nice having Papa Chiloe, Mama Chiloe and some sibling Chiloes in the crowd. Next time I hope we all can go out and spend more time together.
Also, Chiloe and BrassNuts got out and enjoyed some of Boulder Canyon the day before. A TR would be cool, but I can't do it. It was sort of cold, way too windy, but they still managed to have an excellent time.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 6, 2012 - 10:29pm PT
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Breaking me own rule here by double posting.
Forgive me.
Note the handsome dog in the screen shots. Excellent weaving in of your own sweet dog Chiloe.
While not as charged as climate change, my own research suffers from some of the things Chiloe discusses. There was this one time that someone spit - yes spit - on me because of some of my research focused on violence against women.
Shocking moment for me. It is not enough to just do good research, one also has to consider the politics and whether the nutjobs (no offense nutjob) have your home address. Don't want to think they can carry out their death threats or boil a pet bunny.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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That's terrible, Callie. Nobody, period, NOBODY, should ever
be subjected to that kind of treatment.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 6, 2012 - 10:38pm PT
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I know of researchers who have had death threats (it's not terribly uncommon), been given threats to have body parts (uh, penises specifically) cut off, been spit on (like me) etc.
There is a scary anti-science/anti-research element in some parts of society.
BTW, thanks for coming yesterday SteveW. Wish we could have hung out more. I had to teach from 6:30 to 9:15pm. Long day for me.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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That’s appalling, Crimpie… it's brutal envisioning someone spitting on an individual as agreeable and respectful as you…some very foul mortals out there.
…yes, guard personal information from the spleen cadets !
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, crimper, chiloe...
thanks for all the shares here... nice to know what you are doing...
nice to see family support there too, :)
:)
chiloe:
*love that doggie, :)
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