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Ricardo Cabeza
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All Over.
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Jan 17, 2011 - 08:32pm PT
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Only scraps now and again. They don't beg and they always have to do something to earn it. I just happen to be having steak tonight.
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blackbird
Trad climber
the flat water trails...
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 17, 2011 - 08:35pm PT
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Wonder what caused it to want to bite you? Figure that one out and we'll all know! I dunno... been thinkin' about that and have some potential causes:
1)I came around a corner and it's "pack" (owner, owner's girlfriend and their 3 other dogs) were the first group I had to walk past to get back to my partner and our gear;
2)I DIDN'T have my harness on since I'd just gone to pee, ergo I wasn't making the usual clanky climber noises;
3)the dog just didn't like me;
or 4)MAYBE Skip's right (no apology necessairy, I'm STILL guffawing!!):
Rumor has it, Blackbird tastes a lot like chicken.
I have not one iota of a clue.
I've never had a problem with anyones dogs. Me either up until yesterday!!
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Willoughby
Social climber
Truckee, CA
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Jan 17, 2011 - 08:59pm PT
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I've been nipped from time to time while out on a run. And that's saying something, 'cause I don't run that often. I guess I just look like a wounded animal, and it triggers a predatory response. Just this summer I had an apparently friendly dog run up beside me and get a little tangled up while jumping up next to me. I gave his head a solid shove, sending him into the bushes, but he caught a couple of my fingers pretty good in the process. That changed the whole nature of our little interaction. I was pissed, and he turned into "aggro dog." I turned away and got on with my run, but I really wanted to grab him by the collar and break his back. Seriously. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, manages to get my hackles up quite like some stupid cur trying to pick a fight with me. Funny thing is, the smaller the dog, the more pissed I seem to get about it. I guess I just get that way 'cause I know that little yapper has been allowed to be that way. Clearly the BS coming out of the dog is tolerated by the owners, and somebody else needs to teach it a lesson. Frankly I'm amazed I haven't killed one yet. Barks and sneaky or reactionary nips are one thing, but if one ever tries to latch on, I don't think I'll be able to control myself. I think about that from time to time, and it freaks me out a little. I mean, I'm a pretty mellow guy, but an angry dog in my face makes my blood boil like the Hulk. What are the legal ramifications of a consensual dog v. human fight anyway? I mean, if some dog bites you, and you end up killing the dog (which prob. goes beyond self defense, yes?), can you be held to any legal consequence?
In my experience, dog owners are universally delusional (and I count myself, from my own dog-owning years).
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blackbird
Trad climber
the flat water trails...
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 17, 2011 - 09:44pm PT
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But if my dog did attack, and you got a bite, I will understand. But you better have good cause to show I agree.
Stay the f*#k out of my pack. Stay outta my pack, too, unless you want ME to bite your hand for gettin' into my bag of peanut M&Ms!!! Oh... wait... You were talking about something different... hmmm...
:)
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dogtown
Trad climber
JackAssVille, Wyoming
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Jan 17, 2011 - 09:46pm PT
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Ricardo Cabeza
climber
All Over.
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Jan 17, 2011 - 10:02pm PT
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Jim that had me laughing loud enough to wake up my mongrels!
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jan 17, 2011 - 10:06pm PT
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Blackbird. My sympathies to you.
I received a similar wound on my calf two-years ago while doing a day hike.
Heidi and I ran into the nice old geeze with two dogs. From 50 feet away, we exchanged polite greetings, while the dogs trotted forward to make friends with us. We did polite dog greeting ritual, then his border collie circled around behind me and "heeled me" with a painful bite to my calf.
I yelled indignantly and chased the dog back to its "bad" master.
He instantly said: "did my dog bite you?"
Then he whined: "Are you OK?" He was really nice and concerned, and obviously felt bad.
I had the "don't be a pussy" moment, and told the old geeze I was OK, but he needed to keep his dog under control. I was really polite.
We hiked another mile, until I was starting to limp from the growing bruise. On the way back, we caught up with the old geeze and both the dogs moved to get behind us. We had trekking poles for offensive tools, and aggressed right back, then chased his dogs back to him.
He apologized profusely again.
I am so sorry I did not demand ID and insurance info from him. I am also sorry I did not call law enforcement and try to make his life miserable.
By the next day, the wound looked like yours, only it was oozing blood. I limped for a month.
When we thought about it: the geeze knew his dog would bite. I’ve heard the: “did my dog bite you” line before from aggressive dog owners. They know their dogs bite people.
Later that same year, Heidi was invited into a client’s home and their German Sheppard attempted a “wrist take-down” on her. She grew up with dogs and was okay with dogs, but now views dogs with caution, and certain fear ever since.
She suffered tendon-damage and fought their insurance company for two-years, before getting her medical costs reimbursed.
So----flash forward to climbing at City of Rocks last summer, and encountering off-leash aggressive dogs, despite there being a leash law there.
What’s with all the ass-holes that ignore the “dogs on leash” signs at places with those regulations?
I think a lot of dog-owners live in denial about what their pets are like.
However I do believe that “nice-people have nice dogs” and “ass-holes have bad dogs.”
------or is it "bad dogs own human as#@&%es?"
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Jan 17, 2011 - 10:11pm PT
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Samantha, that bite looks terrible.
I'd a been back to my pack to get my D5 hammer, which is now
going to be standard issue there.
Please check with a doc so you don't get rabies or some other
infection--as you know, mouths are very dirty places.
I hope you'll be okay--and don't apologize for starting a
maelstrom--you were attacked, period.
Not your fault. Period.
Take care of yourself, and say hi to Abby the wonder dog for me!!!!
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Jan 17, 2011 - 11:03pm PT
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Nasty. I think that when one is a dog lover and then has another dog attack like that it is especially rattling. Take care. Susan
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jan 17, 2011 - 11:11pm PT
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I'm impressed that everyone can spell mælstrøm. But can anyone pronounce it properly? :-)
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blackbird
Trad climber
the flat water trails...
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 17, 2011 - 11:18pm PT
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Well, Anders, the southern pronunciation would equate to something akin to:
MAILstrum; however, seein' as how we butcher and bastardize all words coming from any dictionary, it's most likely about as wrong as a body can get. Honestly, it's pretty impressive we can spell anything at all, seein' as how we DO butcher every language on the globe with our accents...!!
Ya gotta love us southern folk. We're at least good for a laugh now and again!!!
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blackbird
Trad climber
the flat water trails...
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 17, 2011 - 11:20pm PT
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Susan, it IS disconcerting.
Fritz, I'm looking to see that coloration in a week or so... I'm sorry you had to deal with that; that sux!
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Ricardo Cabeza
climber
All Over.
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Jan 17, 2011 - 11:22pm PT
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Let's surmise this by reshaping the title.
'Dogs bite at the crags.'
I love my dogs, but they're better left at home when I'm climbing.
I'll hike with them but I won't climb with them, they can't climb with me.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jan 17, 2011 - 11:24pm PT
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Samantha, your attempt at the phonetics is pretty close - considering that the word uses two vowels that don't really exist in English. But you also have to roll the "r" - though maybe that's something they already know how to do in the south?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jan 17, 2011 - 11:27pm PT
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Not the Total Perspective Vortex? The horror! The horror!
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blackbird
Trad climber
the flat water trails...
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 17, 2011 - 11:32pm PT
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Anders, I'm fluent in Bastardized English (AKA: southern-ese), PigLatin, BullShyte, bluegrass/old time fiddle music and kayak-ese. The only rolls I'm used to/trained to - ah - perform are those on a fiddle and in a boat; I'm gonna guess either of those aren't gonna count for much in this particular context!!
Edit: as per the link locker provided, that'd be how they say it up in western NC (picture it coming from the mouth of an old guy with a long beard, a fiddle tucked under one arm, bow caught on the pinky of the same hand, and an adult beverage in the other between sets in the back room of the local convenience store/gas station/community certer and you've got it dead on.)
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Jan 17, 2011 - 11:47pm PT
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Confession of a dog owner: Climbing with Fly for several days at Alabama Hills. Fly is getting along with everyone, dogs, people, etc.
Day three we are the only one's at this particular face. I am leading, on a cruxy move and a party comes around the corner. Man in dark suit is in the lead. Fly is off leash and goes nuts protecting us from the intruder. I'm yelling for fly to back off, Laura is ready to leave me hangin off belay, I'm telling Laura to stay put. Man turns and leaves with no damage.
Dog owner learns a lesson and will always have dog on leash when belay is on. I wanted to apologize to that party, but could not find them.
Fly the Border Collie
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jan 17, 2011 - 11:56pm PT
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Blackbird: Hope you get over the bite quickly. Your bruise and mine were about the same early on.
However, I think most of my bruise came from hiking two miles after the bite. I pumped a lot of blood into my wound.
It was shocking: when a dog I thought was friendly bit me.
Best Wishes, Fritz
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MisterE
Social climber
Bouncy Tiggerville
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Jan 17, 2011 - 11:59pm PT
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That sucks, Samantha - hope you heal up soon!
It really sucks to be attacked when your intentions are just good - I think that is what gets me riled up about the two random dog-bites I have received.
The cat-bites I got were way worse though - dogs at least have clean mouths. Cats...not so much.
The first time ever I got bit was at Smith Rock, early 90's. Some friend told me if you see an aggressive dog off a leash, make a cross in front of your chest with your arms. Bad advice, it just pissed the dog off and it bit me in the leg (while my hands were on my shoulders and unable to do any defensive moves). I bitched that guy out who gave me that advice, I can tell you. Never did see the owner, just got out of there.
The second time was on a bicycle in Bend, riding to the store - I tried to kick the chasing dog away, and it bit me on the ankle. Next time I rode by that house, I was ready. I had a squirt-bottle in my water-bottle cage, and doused the dog good. It threw the dog off for a while, but it was a real chaser - I ended up administering one resounding whack to the head with a full-sized pump, and that seemed to deter (at least me and my bicycle).
What really gets me is the protective nature of bad owners and their bad dogs:
"He/she's a good dog, I don't know why they did that/they've never done that before." The implication being "It must be your fault my dog bit you."
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