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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 14, 2010 - 03:00pm PT
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Jeff, if you are serious contact me directly through ST emails.
I will provide you what ever you think you might need to action.
But I hope you understand my preference not to do so too publicly.
Unlike Ron you have a deeper awareness. Though you often choose to not display it.
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Roger Breedlove
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Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Jul 14, 2010 - 05:26pm PT
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Area; Muslim population; Percent of area's pop. that is Muslim; Percent of Muslim's total population.
Asia-Pacific 972,537,000 24.1% 61.9%
Middle East-North Africa 315,322,000 91.2% 20.1%
Sub-Saharan Africa 240,632,000 30.1% 15.3%
Europe 38,112,000 5.2% 2.4%
Americas: North and South 4,596,000 0.5% 0.3%
World Total 1,571,198,000 22.9% 100%
A very loud complaint against the US is that its anti-terrorism is really anti-Muslim.
I wonder where that idea comes from?
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 14, 2010 - 05:32pm PT
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Looking at the bright side, if they build a mosque right at ground zero, perhaps radical Muslims won't attack that location any more. They do seem to have monomania on the subject, but maybe wouldn't stoop to destroying a mosque. Although maybe it will depend on whether said radicals approve of the sect that builds the mosque - it sounds like the Cordoba people are quite moderate. And some Christian brands/cults seem quite capable of destroying churches of other denominations, e.g. arson of 'black' churches in the south. And the 9/11 attackers killed some Muslims without being concerned. So maybe I'm being optimistic.
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couchmaster
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pdx
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Jul 14, 2010 - 05:32pm PT
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Philo said: "And... there are passages in the Bible that legitimize sex with children for money as long as they are older than four years of age. And how about that poor kid in wyoming? Beaten, tied to a fence and left to die by some good ol Amercan redneck christians. "
Few would be stupid enough to toss this comparison out there? Seriously? Buddy, in many Islamic countries, the rule of law is the rule of the Koran as interpreted by holy scholars. It isn't an isolated instance of 2 idiots opposed to a gay guy and breaking the law. It's about the entire justice system doing it to every single person. In Iran, they routinely hang gays. Every damn one they catch! Quick trials by "holy men" followed by executions and let God sort it out.
God says this is OK. So do the members of that community. Yes, lets bring that over here. Next time you get around a Christian worship group and hear them vehemently debate a single passage of what God intend with those words, please reconsider if you want them also directly running your political, personal and moral life like in many middle eastern countries who have never heard of John Locke or Jean Jacques Rousseau and if they had seen those 2 fine gentlemen, they would have stoned or beheaded them as heretics for freely volunteering their viewpoints and philosophy's. The Catholic church has not had this kind of bullshit shtick for hundreds of years. No comparison. Strict Islamic tolerance is limited to the size of your dick or the extent the Koran allows. This isn't all sects or countries of course. You can't generalize as there can be radically divergent thoughts within even a single country. (witness Turkey or Pakistan for example) Bottom line, no rule of written laws for them outside of the ones God gave them in the 600's. As I said: In Iran, any woman who wears a dress is a prostitute and prostitutes get publicly whipped. Adultery by a woman is often penalized by death by sword or stoning. Sh#t, did you know that women often get stoned to death for being raped? BEING RAPED! This is common in multiple Islamic ruled countries. They bury them so they can't move and then kill them slowly with rocks. Slowly. Do an internet search. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1081214/Somali-girl-pleaded-mercy-Islamists-stoned-death-raped.html WTF?
http://executions-leeds01-02.blogspot.com/2007/10/executions-in-iran.html
I say, let us build this center in NYC, and also a similar multicultural worship center in Mecca and Medina as well so that Sunnis can consider others views. If it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander.
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Roger Breedlove
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Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Jul 14, 2010 - 05:58pm PT
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The legal systems in 21st century Muslim majority states can be classified as follows.
Sharia in the secular Muslim states:
Muslim countries such as Mali, Kazakhstan and Turkey (which is under pressure from religious political parties) have declared themselves to be secular. Here, religious interference in state affairs, law and politics is prohibited. In these Muslim countries, as well as the secular West, the role of Sharia is limited to personal and family matters.
Muslim states with blended sources of law:
Muslim countries including Pakistan, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Egypt, Nigeria, Sudan, Morocco and Malaysia have legal systems strongly influenced by Sharia, but also cede ultimate authority to their constitutions and the rule of law. Some of these countries are democratic and some are authoritarian. In these countries, politicians and jurists make law, rather than religious scholars. Most of these countries have modernized their laws and now have legal systems with significant differences when compared to classical Sharia.
Muslim states using classical Sharia:
Saudi Arabia and some of the Gulf states do not have constitutions or legislatures. Their rulers have limited authority to change laws, since they are based on Sharia as it is interpreted by their religious scholars. Iran shares some of these characteristics, but also has a parliament that legislates in a manner consistent with Sharia.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 14, 2010 - 09:23pm PT
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I really don't give a sh#t.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Jul 14, 2010 - 10:54pm PT
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bluering said Do you think the Saudis would let me build a Catholic church near Mecca if I told them it was because I wanted to promote peace and cultural understanding?
Screw 'em!
So wait. You think they are wrong and yet you also think that we should do exactly what they do? You obviously hold American ideals close to your heart.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Jul 14, 2010 - 11:08pm PT
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Ron, maybe you should work on your basic literacy skills before you attempt logic traps. You also don't really seem to "get" what spin actually is.
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cupton
climber
Where the past and future meet
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Jul 15, 2010 - 10:03am PT
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Peaceful interfaith discussion group
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 15, 2010 - 12:03pm PT
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Jeff, don't be hasty. I have three kids (one in preparation for college) and a full time business. I will email back when it is just a little higher on my priority list. Patience.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Jul 15, 2010 - 01:11pm PT
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I'd firmly agree that no radical Islam should be taught near the 9/11 site. But not all Islam is radical. Christians have had their share of extremists over the years, as have Jews and pretty much every other religion. Certainly the Old Testament contains no shortage of thing that I believe pretty much everyone here would find objectionable (including approval of slavery and subjugation of women). I just heard a story on the news about an evangelical pastor in Africa that had been pushing for the death penalty for homosexuals and prison for those who did not expose homosexuality they knew about.
If this mosque is truly going to preach tolerance, then this is probably a good place to do it, and in my view, is a shot in the face to extremists of all flavors. If they are not tolerant, it shouldn't be that hard to figure that out a few years down the road and show them for the frauds they are.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Jul 15, 2010 - 01:45pm PT
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Good Christian boys every one.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 15, 2010 - 02:45pm PT
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Most disturbing.
I imagine that the memorial will also include the names and likenesses of people of that negroid persuasion. The ones that honor and glorify such people as Muhammed Ali, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, and all other manner of negroid heroes of the muslim faith, a strong group in America.
Keep them blacks away from 911, we 'Mericans need to keep pure!
NOT!
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Gene
Social climber
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Jul 15, 2010 - 03:17pm PT
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Me too.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 15, 2010 - 07:59pm PT
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Nice pic Lolli!
I've been to Israel, Turkey, and Egypt. They're great places too, a lot of history that you can 'feel' when you're there.
When we were in Israel though, one of the tour busses of our cruise-ship was hit by shrapnel from a mortar fired by the peaceful Palestinians. Shattered all the windows and the bus driver was treated for glass in the face.
Pretty interesting culture over there though. Mostly kind.
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Gene
Social climber
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Jul 15, 2010 - 08:37pm PT
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Well that last vid tells the exact same thing I get from guys in ten other countries...
Hyperbole or fact? I have to ask because of your other 'misrepresentations" on this forum.
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Tahoe City/Talmont , CA
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Jul 15, 2010 - 09:44pm PT
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No sadly that is their opinions as well. I commuicate regurlarly with guys from the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, England etc .
..,, and they are all probably skin heads.
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Gene
Social climber
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Jul 15, 2010 - 09:52pm PT
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Ron,
Help me out. I'm trying to understand your point of view. Is your revulsion regarding the proposed mosque because you are afraid it will be a spawning ground for terrorists, or is it because you feel that Muslims have a debt to pay this nation and by being in the neighborhood of the twin towers they are mocking that debt, or what? What is it that you and your homies from 10 countries can't get over?
Thanks,
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