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pc
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I swear this is sounding like the start of a Hardy Boys mystery. I'll bet this "muscle" is just over aggressively hiding something. Let's get joe and frank to investigate.
Ah Skip's a Hardy Boys fan too ;)
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MeatBomb
Gym climber
Boise, I dee Hoe
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Maybe there is an airplane full of dope in Little Lake... ? and BlowJox is determined to smoke it all up before a bunch of Cali boulderers show up and bully him to the point of him bear spraying them and then going all drunken Kung Fu on them?
to the OP:
Is that climbing any good there? I stopped in passing once and did not see much in the way of tall cliffs.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 2, 2010 - 07:14pm PT
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MBomb,
IT was kinda warm the day before over on rock 2 in indian wells area so we looked at the book and thought, hmm lets scope it out. We drove over around dark and walked in and it looked decent. The stuff at Scotts Bluff looked super fun. We did a few 10's and a 9 in the upper area which were good. This overhanging roof crack problem was fun but hard. I'd say (minus the tool) it's a fun place to go crag. Easy to stay in the shade all day there.
Don't get me wrong, it ain't Shuteye Ridge, but for what it is it's pretty cool.
kev
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 2, 2010 - 07:21pm PT
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Chief,
Looking at the overview map on page 137, then photos 1-6 are on, 7 and 8 are off as well as scotts bluff, and the area between 1-6 and 7&8 is the nomands land (DMZ)? Does that jive with what you're saying? That would seem to jive with what the BLM guy said
kev
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 2, 2010 - 07:37pm PT
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Hmm That doesn't jive with the BLM guy who was familar with the new survey and said that the BLM land extends in the lower tier for at least 100 ft.
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Bschmitz
Ice climber
mountain view
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ha apparently my "have a nice memorial day weekend" turned into a shitty post memorial day week for this dude. HA thats what he gets for being a dick when I am out on vacation, not bothering a soul. I even picked up garbage left by others. KARMA
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Well that pretty much seals it.
The liability issues that the owner speaks of are a very real problem for land owners.
Hopefully this message will get out to everyone.
Agreed Chief. Please respect this.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 2, 2010 - 08:31pm PT
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If the official 'new' property lines show that it's off all they need to do is post some signs. But it's still not entirely clear where said property line lies.
Don't worry I won't be back down that way for a bit. Regardless the caretakers actions were way way out of line and I think Karma has come knocking his way this week....
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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seems like chief's information changes with every phone call he makes.
this place has always given out strange vibes. nicest little spot in the desert, and it's owned by rich duckhunters for their private pleasure? are they booming off at ducks with 395 traffic in the background? weird.
the old pink hotel, onceuponatime old west whorehouse, burned to the ground--when was that? 15 years back? i even stayed there once during a climb weekend--don't worry, no whores, but they had the nicest honkytonk piano and tub bass--a real oasis of western culture in the wide open spaces. somebody oughta rebuild the sucker, open it to climbers and duckhunters and reroute 395.
i'd like to know more about what's behind this strange little place.
also heard that the haiwee reservoir was recently closed to fishermen, for no goddam good reason. keep the people off the land, that's what it's all about. send them back to their stinking cities and let them watch the nature channel.
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Slater
Trad climber
Central Coast
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OK, so to clarify, Areas 1 & 6 (and everything north) are accessible? legally? and everything below (areas 7 & 8) that is private property?
Twilight of the Gods is still good!?!?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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It appears that it would still be best to obtain the official surveyor's plan for the area, as filed with the government office, and then work out what it corresponds to on the ground, perhaps based on location of survey pins. Then there's no question regarding hearsay.
If climbers are a main user group/neighbour, perhaps a few of them could go with Mr. Ivy or his representative, and place appropriate signs along the property line. If they're dated and identified as being not only from the landowner but also the climbing community, they may be more credible, and last.
ps Is fossil falls anywhere near silverback slide?
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Butoou
Sport climber
Malibu
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Couchmaster
If I see you anywhere near me I will assume it it to inflict violence and respond accordingly as if my life is in jeopardy. You won't want to be there, so best just back off and leave me be.
Kev was it the Couchmaster? I think he owns the crags and the taco
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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loot of tweakers out their in the brush,
this guy was probably all wired up on crank.
not a high IQ area any way you slice it.
Kev, i have a place where you can climb and shoot weapons and nobody gives a rats ass,
let's bolt that sucker up.
took care of a ranger on monday, you gotta hear this one,
rj, your half a brain cell actually called this one right.
i am still in shock.
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Slice
Boulder climber
Valley
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What a fiasco clusterf*#k to say the least. Sorry to hear you had a bad tooling Kev. Seriously looks like the local gov't entities along with the local Access Fund Org folks need to get their ducks in a row with this land owner and get this private property deal all sorted out before someone gets in some real hot water.
Thanks The Chief for doing all this snooping and trying to sort this mess out, sort of, maybe, hopefully. Sounds like none of the people that should know what is going on, know nothing anything regarding the line of death in the sand.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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hey kev, were you packin?
that would be funny.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Well my guess at this point the best course of action would be to try and offer up some volunteer time to the owner to go out and help put up signs. If the survey is this recent, then pulling the records and going out and finding the century markers and walking the line would not be a problem at all.
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crusher
climber
Santa Monica, CA
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What really sucks here is that any part of this area was sold off to a private party.
Was just wondering, on Monday as we drove past Little Lake for the umpteenth time, what was up there. For the first time noticed "no trespassing" signs on the fence bordering 395. Thought it was DWP. Bummer.
We always joke about climbing at Fossil Falls because it's usually hideously hot when we drive by. But we've stopped there, hiked around and checked out the routes. Still thought it was all BLM...there is a little campground there still, no?
Probably 30 years ago I ate dinner at that old restaurant by Little Lake on the way to Mammoth. Over the years that place just sort of crumbled and turned into some kind of (Confederate flag waving) neo-something hang out. Could never figure out what was going on there. Then it burned down. Weird weird weird.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Thx Chief. Appreciate the legwork since us weekenders can't get over there regularly.
Shot from 2003 looking up canyon...
not sure which areas are which. will need to pull the book out.
be ashame to lose the bouldering and roped climbing in the area. Maybe down the road access will improve.
M
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Good work, Chief - you did the work to uncover the facts/sources and have integrity.
(Of course, there is potentially more work in negotiating access, but negotiation starts by knowing the facts/sources).
(assuming the new survey lines hold up):
If a formal placard/perma-map is placed in the campground, and people keep tearing down the No Tresspassing signs, really the road/campground are too close to private property, and should be shut down / relocated to center of BLM land. Too easy to drive up anytime and vandalize the signs.
Maybe gate the road and people can mountain bike in; might filter out some of the vandalizers?
Or is it too easy to drive everywhere; gates have no effect?
TKingsbury - thanks for the very nice maps/images - definitely makes it easy to visualize what is going on.
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ashwilson17
Sport climber
new york
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Well, it’s amazing. The miracle has been done. Hat’s off. Well done,
as we know that “hard work always pays off”, after a long struggle
with sincere effort it’s done.
marqthompson
Medical Health Blog
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