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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - May 21, 2014 - 05:38pm PT
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Never confuse patriotism with mindless flag waving and jingoism.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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May 21, 2014 - 06:37pm PT
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and I don't say 'we' when I mean 'them.'
It starts in childhood, with sports, and just grows from there. How many times have you heard some little kid, or a fat adult couch potato who couldn't run ten feet, talk about "his" football team. "Man, we're going to hand those 49ers a beating!"
Yeah, right. In the same way rabid patriots who never served talk about how "we" handed them ragheads (or gooks, or krauts) a beating.
Kind of disgusting.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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May 21, 2014 - 10:00pm PT
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I don't like the word 'we' when someone means 'anyone BUT ME'. I don't like it when life-long civilians think a political view = patriot. IT DOES NOT! You have to fight in defense of your country, to be patriot. The chief is a patriot plenty of others here too. Life long assembly line workers raising a god loving family? As American as apple pie and good on him! But that don't make no Patriot.
Its my Niagara Falls. Sorry.
DMT
I think you're conflating 'patriot' with 'patriotism'. 2 different things. One does selfless acts in defense of American values, the others are the ones who support them. Has a lot to do with the military, but not necessarily IMO.
pa·tri·ot
noun \ˈpā-trē-ət, -ˌät, chiefly British ˈpa-trē-ət\
: a person who loves and strongly supports or fights for his or her country
But as a free American you're entitled to define it anyway you'd like. And I understand where you're coming from. You just denegrate all those who stay home who love AMerica and her values, who morally and fiscally support a strong military defense. The boots on the ground, the real heroes and patriots.
One could not exist without the other. This is the beauty of America. The dudes on the line taking fire are patriots. I'm just a patriotic American.
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WBraun
climber
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May 21, 2014 - 10:03pm PT
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But as a free American
Americans are not free.
They're slaves to the automobile and the telephone.
They're slaves to to technology and have lost their soul ......
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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May 21, 2014 - 10:16pm PT
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Americans are not free.
They're slaves to the automobile and the telephone.
They're slaves to to technology and have lost their soul ......
We're still free enough to live without those things if we so choose. For now.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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May 21, 2014 - 10:31pm PT
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We're still free enough to live without those things if we so choose. For now.
He posts this to the internet lol!
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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May 21, 2014 - 10:32pm PT
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Jesus just appeared to me. I am found. He has an important message. More to come.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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May 22, 2014 - 07:16am PT
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To be a patriot you have to put yourself in harms way in defense of your country. Simple as that.
Never confuse patriotism with mindless flag waving and jingoism.
Totally agree.
I am/was a patriot, a Cold War Warrior, and the only people who ever actually shot at me were Americans who didn't like having a loud military jet fly over their house.
Once, though, I was chased by a couple of Libyan MIG-23s, but an F-14 Tomcat sent both of them to the bottom of the sea.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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May 22, 2014 - 09:11am PT
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especially the part where they take out a sharp scalpel and cleave off the state religion part.
How many times do revisionists need to be reminded that the original US Constitution implicitly allowed the individual states to establish religion, enforce or prohibit religious practice or discriminate on the basis of religion? Even Pennsylvania, renowned for its "religious tolerance" required acceptance of a single god as a pre-requisite for any civil rights, and required acceptance of the new testament as divine to hold public office. Its current constitution still retains the 1790 wording which would prevent holding of public office by those not acknowledging "the being of a God and a future state of rewards and punishments".
This supreme court ruling will go down in history alongside Dredd Scott; an immoral conclusion based on an accurate interpretation of the "original intent".
TE
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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May 22, 2014 - 09:24am PT
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Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!"
He said, "Nobody loves me."
I heard the version between a free stance climber and a hook & drill climber.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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May 22, 2014 - 09:28am PT
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"Man, we're going to hand those 49ers a beating!"
You are not from around here.
We are going to kick Seattle's ass this year.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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May 22, 2014 - 09:40am PT
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Jesus just appeared to me. I am found. He has an important message. More to come.
That wasn't Jesus. It was Al Gore. You interrupted him doing something inappropriate with John Mayer. He said "it's getting hot in here"
I don't think you're his type.
The description "inappropriate" has nothing to do with them both being men, you bigoted and homophobic bastards.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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May 22, 2014 - 09:42am PT
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Is that really what all this states rights stuff is? A cute end run around the nations constitution to keep those high fulutin' pesky entitlements of equality from messing with local traditions?
Uh ...... yes it is.
To complicated for Canadians?
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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May 22, 2014 - 09:56am PT
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And if the current Pennsylvania constitution appalls you, how about the original Massachusetts one? At least MA had the decency to revise theirs.
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/Constitution
"It is the right as well as the duty of all men in society, publicly, and at stated seasons to worship the Supreme Being, the great Creator and Preserver of the universe."
"... and the legislature shall, from time to time, authorize and require, the several towns, parishes, precincts, and other bodies politic, or religious societies, to make suitable provision, at their own expense, for the institution of the public worship of God, and for the support and maintenance of public Protestant teachers of piety, religion and morality, in all cases where such provision shall not be made voluntarily."
TE
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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May 22, 2014 - 10:03am PT
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Speaking of patriots......
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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May 22, 2014 - 10:06am PT
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Patriotism is a bludgeon for the stupid and an excuse for institutionalized murder.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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May 22, 2014 - 10:57am PT
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But Jesus just appeared to me with an important message. Why won't anyone believe me?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - May 22, 2014 - 11:20am PT
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That's because you haven't tried my morel mushroom burgers.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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May 22, 2014 - 11:22am PT
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Is it really so hard to believe that Jesus just appeared and wants to clear up some misunderstandings? Where's the love? Where's the faith?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - May 22, 2014 - 11:24am PT
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He only appears on those rare occasions when he gets a hall pass from Mary Magdalene.
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