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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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^^^
A jump in an empty canyon that the rangers didn't even see. Without a witness (who narked on them) and then cooperation by those involved they probably wouldn't have had anything and still they nailed him. All for an offense that carries the same penalty as "improper food storage!"
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Sorry, Ammon's got way too many offenses with this one. The BAC isn't good, the pot isn't good, the base jumping isn't good, the "resisting arrest" isn't good. He's gonna have to plea this one out is my guess.
There's an age old rule. If you are going to break the law, only break one at a time. He blew that one big time.
Also, if he has priors in the park, that will not help him either.
Judges as a general rule are less than impressed with someone who walks into court with a laundry list of charges, and possible priors yelling how they were mistreated by the cops.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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After reading the various background materials on this, my conclusion is that the amount of resources squandered on enforcement of the anti-BASE jumping rules is ridiculous and the penalties are way our of proportion to the offense.
But this particular case is not a good example of why BASE jumping should be legal. Rather it will be used by the LEO's to argue why BASE jumping is so illegal.
"What does BASE jumping lead to? Drugs! Alcohol! Public Intoxication! Resisting Arrest! IMPROPER FOOD STORAGE!!!!! Call the FBI!"
The BASE jump appears to have been the most "innocent" thing Ammon did that night.
But this is assuming that the allegations are correct. They haven't been proved correct yet. Ammon should be presumed innocent until he has his day in court.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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fatty, i didn't say that.
its a comment on page 2 of the chris rock video.
did i forget to leave out the quotes and the ref number, darn!
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Don't be butt hurt fatty, you are one of the few who actually are looking at the reality of this situation.
I like Ammon, he's a very decent guy, he blew it big time. Did he deserve to get tased, probably not. But the truth is, he's gonna pay for this.
All the other 700+ posts on this thread are of really no value to the facts as we know them to date. Even if they are false from the stand point of the LEO's and the NPS.
The legality of base jumping in the park is an annoying side issue that should be addressed separately.
The tasing issue could be used in his defense, but I doubt it will hold any water.
Ammon is a high profile "character" in the park, he knows this, we know this, the NPS know's this. He chose to do what he did and is going to get hammered for it.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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see, i have a chp friend, and you know what he tells me?
cya, cover yo ass,
would i make a great attorney or what?
he rif, oj is callin, he wants you to represent him in vegas,
not!
fatty, see here>
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Hey Spock...
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz................
Apparently your literary skills are not any better than the LEO's in Yosemite.
It's RLF, not RIF.
For you, RIF means, Reading Is Fundamental.
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bmacd
climber
Relic Hominid
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It's likely that being tasered in the neck resulted in plenty of health problems for Ammon, likely well documented, which give Ammon plenty of ammunition for a successful and lucrative "excessive use of force" counter suit against the ranger and NPS, which is why the NPS is doing it's best to pile on charges, which will be used as negotiation tokens in the end.
Ammons lucky the ranger didn't kill him by mistake. Excessive use of force via tazer is a serious problem, which as MH mentions up thread resulted in the death of a polish immigrant at the Vancouver airport. I truly hope Ammon is not suffering long term effects from this incident.
I see this whole thing going Ammons way, not the NPS.
This is not about base jumping in the park, it's about how lethal and dangerous tasers really are, particularly when misused.
edit:
Was the girlfriend videoing the jump and subsequent arrest ? Helmet cam footage too ? Does anyone do anything without taping it these days ?
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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hey rif, it can't all be award winning material,
we use the shotgun approach,
throw out as much b.s. as possible, and if some of it hits, then,
i don't know what.
hey, i'm workin cheap, ya know...
ok, i deleted the "f the po po burn in h" comment.
thats even too harsh by my filthy standards.
besides, we all need the po po when oj is creepin oround the hood with a dagger in his mouth and one glove on,
think of the police as, "a friend with a gun...
or taser, which ever shoots first...
and God's Mercy on you, fletcher hogg,
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Ok, Sprock, we posted during the same time.
My point is that he broke WAY too many laws at once. I am in no way trying to take the LEO's position, more that this is the way things go.
I'm guessing his resisting was based on the fact that he was trying to shed his "pack" so he could run.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Two LEO's had him in hand.
He continued to resist.
They couldn't control him without the taser? And without a Maglite?
COME ON. Were the LEO's 120 lb trainees?
The BrAC (Breathalyzer Alcohol Content) was 0.13. Taken soon after he "had a bottle of beer in his hand" (sic). That's not going to hold up. BrAC is highly dependent on how recently you've been drinking.
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jstan
climber
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Now that I have read the charges and the officers' account my contention that we lack evidence and so are merely speculating - is even more true than it was before. The arrest was made by two officers and their combined testimony will be crucial. We will not know that prior to the hearing of the case.
Neither the incident nor what has transpired in this thread are something of which we and the climbing community can be proud.
Our performance has been atrocious.
Edit:
"Abe Lincoln would have put a mini ball through the brain of the criminal
who tased Ammon for just jumping off a cliff. "
CC: Can you share with us the basis for your claim?
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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after further review of the documents, i would say as Ammon's parole officer,
"stick to the chronic, the juice makes you make bad decisions"
seriously, a jumper high on weed would freeze immediately and go into a jonathan winters routine.
but then again, a jumper high on weed only would probaly have to be pushed off the cliff.
how could this guy get that crazy on bud lite? thats my question.
must be the adrenaline rush.
he could volunteer for 1000 hours community service cleaning out camp 6.
but i bet he has a 5 year exile from the park.
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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The big thing,
AMMON LIED to his friends, BASE community, climbing community, everyone in the country and through the radio.
Wonder if his sponsors will stick with him? Will the community stick by him? His friends should stand by him but tell him that he f*#ked up.
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Ammon HAS a criminal history in Yosemite.
On the record.
5/2006 - Open Container - Pleaded Guilty - Fine = time served(2 days) and $300+
7/2006 - DUI, speeding, Probation Violation - Pleaded Guilty to DUI - Fine = time served(2 days) and $2000
Now part of a official confession.
Multiple BASE jumps
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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MF*#ker, you really seem to have a hard on here about ammon dont you?
edit
come on mf*#ker, what do u have against the guy?
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kaitb
climber
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I think it is time for this thread to come to a halt. Everyone has seen the reports now – what is there more to talk about? There is no need to keep slamming Ammon. There is no need to bring up past incidences as well. Let him be. He has enough on his plate that he is dealing with right now and the last thing he should be worrying about is people in the climbing community bashing him on this thread. I think it all has gone too far. Please, I ask you to leave him alone and to show him some respect.
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Tarz
Mountain climber
Calli
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So she asks to end it and we get the longest reply yet! Nice! If you had an incident, think about it, would u enjoy all the public bantering about it? I doubt it. Leave it...
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Hey guys,
Kait is Ammon's friend. She has asked that we end this thread now.
In spite of the fact that we all have about a million questions, that the legal aspects of this case are fascinating, that some of the charges appear specious, that we all wonder if the authorities acted fairly and rightly, that there are two sides to every story and we have only heard one, that a competent defence attorney can do a lot to help, and that we are all rooting for our friend the El Cap Pirate, I am going to refrain from any further posts, with the hope that the thread ends here.
May I suggest everyone else do the same? If would be really swell for Ammon if there were no further posts below.
Thank you.
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