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Larry Nelson

Social climber
Jan 31, 2018 - 07:37pm PT
RJ,
I've spent most of my life thinking with the wrong head
Edit: and sometimes wishing I had a bevy of porn stars

Edit to Fritz
Likewise...I love your wit
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jan 31, 2018 - 07:38pm PT
Larry Nelson! I just want to say, that I enjoy your posts. Our politics are not so different & I like your thoughts.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jan 31, 2018 - 07:39pm PT
Most every guys downfall...
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 31, 2018 - 11:11pm PT
I'm not religious myself, but I do not believe scientific methods and religious beliefs are mutually exclusive.

For example, the last several Popes have strongly supported the concept of evolution.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California, now Ireland
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2018 - 03:17am PT
I just posted an edit, meant to do it yesterday but fell asleep, 39.3C temp, chest infection, awoke to find it (the edit not the infection) sitting on my desktop MacBook.

Another post here now though. If you want, if you disagree, print it out and burn it. Purge your soul of my thoughts.

Fritz Jan 28, 2018 - 10:03pm PT

...I wish I could believe Trump supporters will be sorry...

Frtiz, nope, no buyer’s remorse among that lot. Whatever some of us may think of Trump, he is a good salesman – for his people.

He has no class, he has no charisma, he is a buffoon who should have made more from daddy’s money. And yet the more evidence that mounts showing he is a scumbag, his supporters rally round him and grow tighter in their manic circle. As if all the accusations or wrongdoing are being thrown at them.

There is a word for that, actually more than one, but crazy comes to mind.

Does he have a personality? Yes, a pretty big one to go along with his super-sized ego. Is he a dickhead? The king.

Is he my president? Only in title, otherwise, not on your life.

EdwardT Jan 31, 2018 - 06:07pm PT

The poll you mention:

some legislative success.

One tax bill. I think Monmouth (or is that Motormouth) needs to look up the definition of ‘some’. Yes it was a significant piece of legislation, but like Shrek, peel beneath the layers and one will still find, it smells like an ogre.


Doesn’t the music from Monsters Inc soundtrack seem very similar to Charlie Parker’s Confirmation?

If we can transplant trees, why not rock? I’d think that Sugarloaf (Tahoe) would sit nicely on Ballytrent Beach. Then I could have some real rock to climb on. Okay it would be a beech to uproot it, take the A-train to Oakland, use Jerry Brown’s Bullet Boat to Ballytrent Bay, then just drop it off, on the beach. Easy peasy. I await.

Sigh, I guess Dalkey and Fairhead will do, but then I have to travel. Lundy is not that far away. As for ice, outside of the freezer, it is Scotland, though I could make Chamonix in my private jet in a couple of hours. If only I had a private jet. Then I could contribute more to the Chem Trails that are confusing Trump supporters.

I am just getting over a horrible viral chest infection, so if I seem a bit silly… that is me.

EDIT

It should be obvious for you if you can spend several minutes actually thinking.

Yury good advice, I think I'll try that, to think. What about yourself? You seem a Kremlin apologist, (hence by my distorted logic, a Trump apologist) I wrote that before and I do so now. I await a photo of Putin and you clasping like brothers.

What is critical thinking? Nowadays it seems to just go to the echo chambers, agree and leave it at that. Thank you 'mam.

EDIT

When I was about six, my sister Mary (about eight) came to my mom, distraught. "The boys tease me mom."

My mother said: "They tease you because they like you." (Mary was good looking, from a neutral point of view). I use the past tense, was. Mary BA/MA Berkeley, is gone breast cancer. Her son Kevin just spent four months in Campile (Wexford) with his girlfriend and her family. He flew out yesterday to report back to the Marines tomorrow in South Carolina. Then back in June to finish his BA in psychology at UCC, then back to Virginia to OCS. He is a good Marine.

So is my godson and nephew Benjamin, two tours of duty with the Corps in Afghanistan, under fire ("Dad, I am only a radioman", he told my late brother Mac, when in fact he was a point man at times on patrol. "Uncle Pat, the bullets whizzing by my head," he said. He is now a junior at UC Davis studying civil engineering (like my dad and Jennie's, civil engineer, but… what makes an engineer civil?).

And his brother Sebastian, also a Marine, trains with SEALS, something like Recon 4, I don't know about that stuff.

I am a proud American. My father's family there since 1640, (Josiah Bartlett, second signatory on the Declaration of Independence). Caseys from Cork in 1840, Roths and Fleihmanns from Bavaria in 1843. Grandfather Casey with a statue in Pittsburgh PA, Grandfather Sawyer a portrait and plaque in the State House in Olympia, WA.

For those who do not believe I cannot think (Yury, Reilly and others). I do not give a sh#t what you believe about me. I have interviewed prime ministers and presidents (of countries), spent 20 minutes plus with Maggie in Number Ten, captains of industry (Richard Branson, Denis O'Brien, and a young Bill Gates (my age, it was a brief interview), been headhunted by BBC and CNN (fact, I have the letters). But in your glorious eyes, I cannot think. Funny.

And I do not give a flying f*#k what you poseurs think.

I will be eligible for Irish citizenship this year. I will not go back to my homeland. I wish the best for all of you.

Patrick

And yes, Russ or Walleye or who was it (I'd look it up but I cannot be bothered) that laughed when I said I can still lead 5.11. I can lead eleven (E36a), sketchily. I think easier grades are more fun, or its that age?

But Ama Dablam is still on my tick list. What a beautiful mountain.

Cheers

Paddy

One more edit

I have been on this forum since 2005, I have cried, not sure if I have lied, I have poured out my soul. I have made a fool of myself.

Some may see me as a hypocrite, railing against Trump. Why do I not come home to fight in the trenches against such authoritarianism, and it is that, if you sit back and think (But Yury claims I cannot think), America is not headed for true democracy, gerrymandering comes to mind and Trumps' defunct office of elections or some bullshot name. I could look it up. I could research a lot of things and disprove them, but I do not have the inclination at this point.

Which brings me back to fighting systems. I fought the HSE over Jennie and I lost. Sort of soul destroying. To return to the US to fight against the demise of democracy, I just do not have the strength. Perhaps someday.

Nuglet

Trad climber
Orange Murica!
Feb 1, 2018 - 06:59am PT
still waiting to hear if Jody trusts the FBI these days
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California, now Ireland
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2018 - 07:47am PT
I am sick and tired of this Trump "idolism". The guy is a scumbag, America you have found your Reality man. And a large minority of you lionize him. So sad. The hero worship some lavish upon him. He is scum and history will prove that. He does not pull the wool over my eyes.

I challenge anybody to refute or dispute what I have written, politically, socially, climbing wise or anything else.

I can back up my personal "exclamations" with letters. I can back up my writings with my portfolio.

As for climbing. I hung out in C4 and the Meadows? Camaraderie? Hmm, some.

Guys a climbed with and appreciate. Lew Dawson, Mike Weiss, Rich Jack (what a name, and it was his), Charlie Porter, and others.

Real nice guys in C4? Kevin Worrall. Ed Barry, David Hitchcock, Ron Kauk, Rik Rieder, damn good folks and better climbers that I was/am, I climbed with some of them.and there we many good friendly climbers in C4, but...

But C4, a cesspool. That is why I got out, I could not cut that BS, some may say I was not a "good" climber, and could not cut C4 and Yo Valley. Like the guy who recently questioned if I can still lead 5.11. Well outside of addressing it here, ask me if I care. Not,

As for the Taco meme/posts, I sort of find it flattering that some useless person would take the time and effort to eulogize me. thank yoiu.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Feb 1, 2018 - 07:50am PT
The real question is... when are you coming to Rainier?
dirtbag

climber
Feb 1, 2018 - 08:56am PT
Conservative columnist Bret Stephens asks: what if Hillary had done this?

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Imagine that President Hillary Clinton had agreed to release a partisan Democratic intelligence memo over the objections of Republicans in Congress and her own top F.B.I. officials that disclosure could harm national security.

Would conservative pundits and politicians:

(a) Praise President Clinton for abandoning her old habits of secrecy and standing strong on the side of transparency in government?

(b) Call for her impeachment on grounds that she had compromised national security for shamelessly self-serving political reasons?

Imagine, next, that the Clinton campaign had named as a foreign policy adviser a little known figure with scanty business or academic credentials but with strongly pro-Putin views and curious links to senior Russian officials. Imagine that this same adviser later testified to Congress that the Clinton campaign had asked him to sign a nondisclosure agreement after a trip he took to Russia during the height of the campaign. Imagine also that senior Clinton campaign officials at first denied and later had their memories “refreshed” about knowing him.

Would conservative pundits and politicians:

(a) Agree with Clinton administration spokespersons that, while the campaign had named him as an adviser, he had no role in anything and that his links to Russia were purely incidental?

(b) Agree with Democrats in Congress that the F.B.I. had no business whatsoever in surveilling him because a political dossier might have served as one basis of suspicion, and that his civil liberties had been seriously traduced?

(c) Note that his presence on the campaign was of a piece with Clinton’s disastrous “reset” of relations with Russia under the Obama administration, and that it suggested a policy of appeasing the Kremlin at America’s expense?



https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/02/01/opinion/clinton-trump-republicans-impeach.html

He brutally and succinctly exposes the wretched hypocrisy that’s infected republican leadership.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Feb 1, 2018 - 08:59am PT
It is kind of sad that DEM's can't seem to squash the tRump bug. tRump and the GOP are basically handing them everything they need, even dusting off the old Nixon playbook for what to do when you get your hand caught in the cookie jar (or somewhere else).

The rebuttal to tRump's SOTU speech was pretty week. It is like the GOP is handing them the hammers, and they look at them like the monkeys in 2001 Space Odyssey examining the Obelisk.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 1, 2018 - 09:17am PT
Yeah, the Dems can't seem to take advantage of a golden opportunity.

We have an historically unpopular Republican President...

and yet...

The RNC has $38.8 million cash on hand. The DNC will report $6.5 million cash on hand, but its debt is now $6.2 million.

RNC Net - $38.8 million

DNC Net - $300,000.00

Lennox

climber
in the land of the blind
Feb 1, 2018 - 09:26am PT
The Republicans have a bad case of Stockholm Syndrome. Devin Nunes is the new Patty Hearst.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Feb 1, 2018 - 10:41am PT
Time for some young dogs to take a f*#king chance with their careers and toss their hats into the ring, and do some bare knuckle politiking?

Democrats and republicans have completely different views of what the world is. I would argue that R's are much further detached from reality, however.

When Trump and R's want to have politics on the level of kindergarten taunts, angry populism, and the politics of spite and resentment (if Obama did it, lets destroy it, whether it is good for the country or not because we love to make liberals mad).

If democrats try and take the somewhat high ground and try to have policy discussions based on fact, they look weak.

I rather suspect instead that Dems will eventually give up on that approach and embrace the childish/angry populism where facts are completely optional and government institutions are to serve the party in power not the country. Bernie is nowhere near as bad as Trump, but he is a sign of the Dems going down that road.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2018 - 10:48am PT
First off, the Democrats aren't doing "nothing" to rid this country of this plague. Their time will come, and it won't be that much longer in coming. Unless, of course, Putin & have a poison pill of some sort, which they very well may. In that case, our country is doomed; will be scraped for any and all natural resources, and forget the Right to Bear Arms; we won't have the First Amendment to whimper over the Second.

Dems are ramping on midterm elections, and you can get synopsis on candidates and even, if you desire it, donate to the MadDogPAC which is putting up billboards that are effectively getting conversations going as to the despicability of some of the repugnants. Learn more by checking out Claude Taylor's Twitter, at https://twitter.com/truefactsstated
jogill

climber
Colorado
Feb 1, 2018 - 11:03am PT
As long as the Dem's messages are 90% negative few will change their minds.
dirtbag

climber
Feb 1, 2018 - 11:05am PT
They don’t need to change many minds, they just need to get their voters motivated. Anger is a great motivator.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2018 - 11:37am PT
As long as the Dem's messages are 90% negative few will change their minds.


Kidding? Trump BUILT his campaign on negative messages.

But what the hell, maybe the Dems SHOULD start lying and making promises they have no intention of keeping.

Next prez candidate fro Dems to declare, "When I am President,"

 The work week will be capped at 32 hours. Those working hourly wages will have the rate adjusted to the amount that would equal what they receive with a 40-hour workweek.
 Social Security Payments GUAR.AN.TEED, for all who have them due. No more fear the well will have run dry; we will put in place a fund which may not be withdrawn from, except to make the SS pay outs
 Anyone running for office at the Federal level declare any and all prior arrests since the age of 21, and must submit documents for all lawsuits filed against them. This must be done in order to be registered as a candidate in the running
 Every American over the age of 21 will receive their choice of A)a Pony, B)a Sexbot or C)Their choice of free Pizza, Coffee or Beer, daily and for life. We'll take back the massive tax break of 2017 to fund this project, and not only that, will require every man and woman found guilty in a court of law as a result of the Mueller Investigation to work, as part of their sentence, as janitors and dishwashers in the establishments. They will not be allowed to handle food or beverages, nor act in any capacity of customer service.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Feb 1, 2018 - 12:46pm PT
Trump: ‘I love’ Orrin Hatch because he said I am a better president than Lincoln and Washington


https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/trump-love-orrin-hatch-said-better-president-lincoln-washington/

StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Feb 1, 2018 - 12:50pm PT
The worst thing the DEM's could do is climb down into the gutter with GOP for a pissing contest. But trotting out another Kennedy made them look like they are out of ideas.

And DMT is right. The Old Guard is looking tired, and they are becoming a ball and chain.

They should be crushing the GOP in the midterms after TRump's lone legislative accomplishment was a party line vote to make their corporate masters richer, while tossing table scraps to the serfs.


Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2018 - 01:18pm PT
^ Just keep in mind that ponies cannot consent.
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