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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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A discussion? You don't discuss, you pontificate anti-American garbage and baseless hate speech.
Give discussion a chance, bro. Why ya gotta hate?
Wanna discuss this?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Well, I called for Mubarak over the Muzzie Brotherhood, right???
I don't know, did you?
It seems the people of Egypt chose someone else. But I guess maybe you're not into democracy?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Were they?? Do you have a link? Or maybe I missed it. If they were "contractors" it certainly would be a game changer in terms of chain of command and where hoped for support would be coming from.
CIA, bra. But the SEALs were prolly DoD contractors with all the tools of the trade.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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I don't know, did you?
It seems the people of Egypt chose someone else. But I guess maybe you're not into democracy?
Yes, I did! Mubarak was fine. He was a dick, like Assad, but he kept sh#t stable and somewhat well.
Democracy is for idiots. Republics is where it's at, or at least Parliamentary-type gov'ts.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Brah. Bro. Broheim.
We've all seen years of you railing away, none the wiser for all your "discussion". The time for discussion is over. I'm just tired of such classless political behavior. There's not a moment where people like you want to see a unified country and actually WORK towards solutions. Tearing down is all your type know and it's why we voted against your ilk.
Alright. Whatever, bro....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Yup, it's like whatever, brah.
Americans like me are tired of ceaseless whining and no solutions. If there weren't free speech issues involved, they should outlaw asshats like you from talking your sh#t for 2 years. 2 years of listening and maybe working towards solutions. If after those 2 years you're still a whiny little asshat, well, then you get to talk your smack up to the elections. It's when you f*#kwits won't shut up even when the elections should damn well cued you to shut you up we get tired of your crap. STFU, sore loser.
You realize that while you think you're really progressive and liberated, you are espousing the same sh#t of national socialists and communists?
Can you see this? Read a f*#king history book.
Americans like me are tired of ceaseless whining and no solutions.
What f*#king solutions are those? When are the going to accrue? We do we see hope? Change?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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You don't have a clue how I see myself. I'm tired of you and your ilk's ceaseless whining. You're classless losers with nothing to contribute. You lose. STFU.
I don't really give f*#k about you, bro. I thought we were discussing policy. I thought we were exchanging political ideas.
Yes, I whine because I don't like the course of the country. I want to be free again, not burdened by gov't, or more rules.
Leave me alone. Gov't is too big and too intrusive!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Thanks for posting that, Qitnl.
May Glen rest in peace....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Exchanging, dicussing.... riiiggghht.
No government? That's anarchism. If you believe you can somehow survive without government in this day and age, you are living in a fairytale land. What you want is to get something while giving nothing, and you're too dumb to realize you support the agenda of a class you don't even belong to.
I never said no gov't. Just a lot less. Read a Constitution.
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slayton
Trad climber
Here and There
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CIA, bra. But the SEALs were prolly DoD contractors with all the tools of the trade.
Blue, I'm not a bra. If they were actual SEALS they would be part of the actual military, they wouldn't have been "contractors" of any sort. There is a difference.
The military has gone further and further out contracting labor for all sorts of its needs from kitchen, laundry, janitorial, and even security details. If the security forces involved in Benghazi weren't actual military but were in reality contracted security forces it changes everything.
This is just speculation based on an above post by QITNL. Asked for a link to back it up but haven't received a response yet. I'm doing alright regardless.
Check out the book Halliburton's Army for an enlightening journey on just how far the military has gone in outsourcing its operations.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Democracy is for idiots.
Kinda says it all.
You've only had about 1.3 million countrymen die for it.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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We can NOT expect third world countries involved in a jihad that has been going on since recorded time, to act like or be a "democracy". They have NO CLUE as to what that means.
Well, the neocons were absolutely positive that by kicking over the right domino that the Mideast would immediately be awash in convivial, white, suburban democracies - how could it possibly be otherwise?
And now you don't like the results? Dude, deal with it, it's what you voted for and likely just voted to do another round of. Romney's military and foreign policy advisers? Neocons, many from the W clan. Talk about dodging a bullet.
And the UN? The UN actually just proved it's capable of doing all we hoped it could and in this case put a dent in the total charade that has been the 'peace process" AKA the Israeli cover for continuously annexing palestinian lands. Now Israel is pretty much forced to actully stand up and state the now painfully obvious - they have no interest whatsoever in 'peace' and every interest in consolidating and expanding their acquisition of palestinian lands. So in this case, bravo for the UN calling bullshit on what's really been going on.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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So one can only assume that the UN is all for terrorist states, wont do anything against them developing weapons of mass destruction and could care less what the US concerns and opinions are.
Yeah, they didn't do anything about Israel building nukes either
But the opposite is quite true, The US has been on the short end of a lot of votes of something is 139-9 like the Palestinian vote. When we do it in the Security council, our veto lets us fly in the face of the vast majority of world opinion
Maybe we should ask ourselves if maybe they know something we don't get to hear in the US
Yeah, over the last 12 years the Palestinians have killed over 100 Israeli kids and Israel has killed over 1000 Palestinian kids (and they are the ones with Precision weapons) but there's only one terrorist state there right?
Peace
Karl
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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I don't really give f*#k about you, bro.
That sums it up.
What you lack in baseline intelligence, you more than redeem with your ability to emphasize it in your writing.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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The best way to support Israel is to support the Palestinian efforts to restore statehood to Palestine. That's also the best way to support our troops. Oh, and the Palestinians aren't a terrorist state any more than we were during the revolutionary war; they are responding to the main terrorism happening which is Israeli settlements carving up the last of the west bank.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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So what? You expect them to do nothing while the Israelis steal the last of their land? How would you respond? You'd get weapons wherever you could find them.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Go back a page and look at that map. It's the whole story.
We supply Israel with both weapons and the funds to make and buy additional weaponry. No one in the region can compete head to head any more than we could go head to head with the English in the revolutionary war.
When decade after decade we support Israel to the absolute exclusion of all others in the region, particularly the scattered palestinian diaspora, you'd have to be an idiot to think sooner or later there wouldn't be slap up the side of the head to get our attention. That was 9/11 and they used what weapons were at their disposal.
As far as IEDs go, we just invested a decade and 4-6 trillion dollars perfecting them and advancing asymmetric warfare to another level of sophistication compared to the Afghan war. We did that. We've done all of it and our one-sided support of Israel is why we have so many dead in other parts of the Mideast.
Either make Israel the 51st state or bring balance to the region by forcing Israel to make peace - either one will do. Failure to do one or the other will simply translate into more dead American troops in the Mideast.
One would think at some point you'd actually 'get it' - but apparently not...
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Congratulations to Palestine for their new status with the UN.
The hardcore Zionist of Israel have never wanted peace with the indigenous peoples.
If they thought they could get away with it they would be brutal to the point of total genocide.
As it is they feign interest in the peace process while slowly strangling the life out of Palestine.
Death by slow starvation.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I've said it before,the palestinian's worst enemy is their own leadership.
They're corrupt nihilists without a viable agenda. Look at the millions
Arafat squirreled away in Switzerland. You think the current bunch is
Any different?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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You think the current bunch is any different?
Yes, Hamas isn't going to take no for an answer and spend decades lining their pockets. They want a state of Palestine and aren't willing to watch the last of the West Bank taken from them or sit idly by while Gaza is for all intents and purposes a prison, and I don't blame them a bit for that.
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