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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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May 30, 2010 - 03:29am PT
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Ha ha, lol...to funny!
Looks like a WIDE...
Which reminds me "For WIDE is the way...to destruction"
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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May 30, 2010 - 03:59am PT
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"The Fountain of Youth"
I think it is called 'The Fountain of Ute'!!
Vinny would know!!
V- "Is it possible, the two utes..."
J- "Eh, the two what? Uh, uh, what was that word?"
V- "What word?
J- "Two what?"
V- "What?"
J- "Uh, did you say 'Utes'?
V- "Yea, two utes.
J- "What is a ute?"
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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May 30, 2010 - 10:27am PT
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Sunflower wrote-
"Wouldn't it be bad just to think we live everyday till we die and then there is nothing..."
What, are you trolling, just trying to wind me up?
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sunflower
climber
Tn
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May 30, 2010 - 11:02am PT
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The topic is why do so many people believe in God, maybe instead of wouldn't it be bad to live and die and then there is nothing, I should have said I thnk that way is my opinion, but for trolling I believe my opinion on the topic is what the discussion is about and why do people believe in God, ( serious question). I am not trying to wind anyone, just my opinion on the topic.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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May 30, 2010 - 11:41am PT
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I hear ya. But it is unfortunate that the Abrahamic religions (or Abrahamic narrative) encourage that attitude or "opinion." Back in the day, in pre-scientific times, fine. But in the 21st century, the age of knowing better, not.
In my field of practice, this attitude has a name. It is called the Abrahamic Indulgence, and many, realizing it is not necessary and causes a great deal of collateral damage in society and the world, have moved beyond it.
Knowing better is doing better.
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WBraun
climber
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May 30, 2010 - 12:16pm PT
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HFCS -- "Back in the day"
You weren't even there so how you know.
Oh that's right you read it in a book and on the internet.
You believe everything you hear and read too, thus you can't think for yourself any more than those whom you are arguing against with that line of argument.
Just another hypocrite mouthing off.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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May 30, 2010 - 12:24pm PT
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Hi Pate! No kidding, saw it, and felt I had to defend the modern understanding, what's more, the modern, changing attitude.
Brawny- I just read your past posts. You skxawng! (That's Na'vi.)
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WBraun
climber
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May 30, 2010 - 01:42pm PT
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So if your coat is finally worn out and you're totally and hopelessly attached to it and then throw it away are you dead?
The material body is just the gross material covering of the soul.
When the body is finally finished the soul transmigrates to another appropriate body according to the consciousness it has developed in this life.
The same as one discards an old worn out coat to a new one (these are crude layman examples of course).
Do you think you are the coat?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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May 30, 2010 - 02:08pm PT
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It's a simple matter of coming to grips with monegesis (in different terms, monegetic mortality). Which means one life to live. I have. It's clear that many in Abrahamica (under the Abrahamic Indulgence) don't even try to come to grips with it.
(I know, it's a big word, a strange word, so right away this turns many off, many are turned off right away, too bad.)
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WBraun
climber
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May 30, 2010 - 02:17pm PT
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Oh yeah a big strange made up word that's totally listed as hypothetical.
In other words a total mental speculation and guessing that has no real foundation.
The same argument you make against the other side.
Hypocrite.
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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May 30, 2010 - 02:27pm PT
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. . . we live everyday till we die and then there is nothing . . .
It's the simplest explanation based on the evidence available.
Occam's Razor, try it some time.
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WBraun
climber
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May 30, 2010 - 02:51pm PT
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Occam's Razor is "meta-theoretical" is not considered an irrefutable principle of logic, and certainly not a scientific result"
That's from you're own materialists and scientists whom said that.
All the evidence that God exists is there too.
Because you're blind you need to speculate, guess and grope around in the dark.
Wake up and open your eyes, try it some time ....
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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May 30, 2010 - 02:58pm PT
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What do you know of logic?
I'd rather have speculations on the probability of things based on all the available evidence, instead of weak analogies, quotes from a primitive mythology, and arrogant pronouncements about Truth based on nothing.
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WBraun
climber
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May 30, 2010 - 03:08pm PT
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Since you're blind, then keep guessing.
It's the indirect method.
All the available knowledge/evidence is not visible to a blind man.
107 blind men in room can not see. Thus they agree the world is dark.
A man that can see comes into the room and tells them there is light.
The blind men say there's no evidence of any light and in the future we will "see".
Meanwhile the blind men invent ideas of what light might be ....
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Good question?!?!?!?!?
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May 30, 2010 - 07:13pm PT
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Just don't become infactuated with and stare at the light too long. You'll become blind yourself.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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May 30, 2010 - 10:40pm PT
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That reminds me: group of nuns decide to repaint the inside of their convent. Mother superior says, "Everybody take your habits off so you don't get paint on them."
One of the sisters says, "But mother we'll be naked! It's a sin.
Mother says, "Come on don't worry, there aren't any men for miles."
So they undress and start painting.
Soon they hear a knock on the door and some guy yelling out "Blind man."
The mother superior says, "Don't worry sisters he's blind he can't see anything, relax."
She opens the door and there's a man standing there who looks at the mother and says, "Hey, nice tits, where do you want me to hang the blinds?"
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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May 30, 2010 - 10:57pm PT
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Cross post:
Very relevant here . . . discussions on biogenesis and the possibility of ET. Where is GOD in all of this and what does it mean to believers?
A great conversation for scientists and for believers both on Internet radio. Very interesting topic "Are we alone in the Universe?" . . .
Unbelievable? 17 Apr 2010 - Are we alone in the universe? Paul Davies & John Lennox
http://www.premierradio.org.uk/listen/ondemand.aspx?mediaid={CD6D82AC-9A89-41D7-8D9E-F6712260177F}
What does it take for life to get going in our universe? Is there intelligence in the stars or right under our nose? Renowned astrophysicist Paul Davies chats to Oxford Professor of Mathematics John Lennox.
A popular science author, Davies is also the Chair of the SETI post detection task force. His latest book "The Eerie Silence" which marks SETI's 50th anniversary examines the likelihood of the universe producing life elsewhere.
John Lennox is a Christian Mathematician and philosopher. He is the author of "God's Undertaker: has science buried God?" and has debated Richard Dawkins on several occasions.
Davies' work on the fine tuning of the universe for life has been sympathetic to theism. In this programme Lennox challenges Davies to look to design not just in cosmology but in the cell. They also chat about what the discovery of ET would mean for Christian theology.
For Paul Davies see http://cosmos.asu.edu/
For his book "The Eerie Silence" click here
For John Lennox see http://johnlennox.org/
Great listen :-))
Edit:
It is wonderful to hear 3 English gentleman talking, listening, and debating without anger but with respect. It would be nice if ST could do something similiar.
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WBraun
climber
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May 31, 2010 - 12:42am PT
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Sometimes like right now I really worry about you Dr F.
You ask yourself questions and subconsciously answer them to yourself thinking you're talking to someone else in such a way that fits your dream.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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May 31, 2010 - 11:56am PT
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good one, paul.
my favorite catholic school joke:
it's a girls' school and it's graduation and sister superior is telling the class:
"now remember, girls, for just one hour of pleasure you could be paying for it with a lifetime of sorrow and grief."
and that little girl in the back row raises her hand and asks,
"sister? how do you make it last an hour?"
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Walla Walla, WA
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May 31, 2010 - 01:55pm PT
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If you can talk to God, so can everyone, and then you have to believe everyone, like Bush, when He said God told him to invade Iraq
and when the catholic priest said God told him to abuse children,
Or you can be rational about it, and say No, I don't talk to God, nor can Bush, nor anyone
Exactly parallel (ridiculous) argument about science:
If a professing scientist can do science, then so can all professing scientists. So, then you have to believe every claim of every professing scientist. Like the goofballs that claimed to have achieved cold fusion. And when (not long ago) basically all scientists believed in the aether. Or phlogiston. Or, now, a 10/26-dimensional universe without the slightest possibility of experimental evidence to support it. Or, you can be rational about it and say, No, professing scientists don't do any science, nor can anyone else.
This is an EXACT parallel of your (ridiculous) argument, "Dr." F. Ready to accept THIS argument?
Think about it some time.
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