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monolith
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state of being
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Better get that back fixed, or maybe the militia has a wheelchair or walker brigade.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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The point is they are not what the framers had in mind as a militia.
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splitter
Trad climber
HighwayToHell
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dikhed inquired...
HighwayToHell
which is it?
God is Love. In God I trust. Period!
initially, regarding location I stated:
HighwayToHell
BABYLON-U$A
temporal location, as in;
"Though ye walk through the valley of the shadow of death, fear no evil."
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Thomas Jefferson
Third President of the United States
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dikhed
climber
State of fugue and disbelief
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prolly just youngsters out target shooting doing a group shot for the facef*#k page
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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California is leading the way for the gun grab. Calling for a turn in of all mags over 10 rounds
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Isn't it ironic that on the day that Kalifornia passes sweeping gun control laws, Idaho removes all permits, licenses and fees required to protect yourself.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Better call in the Tyranny Response Team.
BTW, unless you're fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan, I don't think you need a high capacity assault weapon to "protect yourself", unless of course you're staring down a nervous chickensh#t--oops, I mean a law abiding Amurican--who needs military grade hardware to feel safe in wilds of Boise.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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BTW, unless you're fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan,I don't think you need a high capacity assault weapon to "protect yourself", unless
Or, as stated previously, unless you are getting charged by Cosmc's sister.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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those are some skillful man nips you got there, Cosmic
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Those of us that are bodied are all of us in the militia by default.
Meeting monthly at McDonalds no doubt or is it Panera? The stupidity of the concept in this day and age defies belief. But romantic middle-age white guys shouldn't be denied their fantasies I suppose (or the video game market would no doubt go tits up).
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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I'm always amazed at the lack of context when someone claims that the idea of a militia, to prevent against homegrown tyranny as well as invading tyranny, is an outdated or useless thought.
Especially in the day and age when we have 24 hour news sources that report on the amount of coups, takeovers, unrest and invasions occurring across the world.
Why don't they invade here? Why don't they try to take over the US? Is it because we have more bombs than they do? Is it because our standing army is so great? Good Grief.
Some of you retards should really get out every once in a while. Do you realize that there are more licensed deer hunters in just the state of Pennsylvania, than the entire active Russian military?
And if you add Wisconsin and Michigan together, you now have more "soldiers" than the entire US Active military.
And I bet even a good percentage of the orange army in Wisconsin could manage to qualify on most days.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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To follow up on DMT's thought, if there was no political will after 20 dead 6 and 7 year old kids, it's not going to happen soon, not with the current lobbyists and Republicans in office.
BTW, the "default" militia argument is one of the stupdier arguments I've heard. We have a standing army. We do not have or need a militia. There's the companion argument, also pit out by gun rights folks, that an armed citizenry is needed to protect against the tyranny of the government, if needed. One, that is contrary what the intended purpose of the Second Amendment. Two, its insurrectionist. Three, the notion that a bunch of rednecks could even remotely resist, let alone overtake Blackhawk helicopters, clusterbombs, Sherman tanks, Puff the Magic Dragon, and the superior training of our armed forces, etc., is so far fetched, it is difficult not to be insulting when debunking that argument.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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"It's a matter of it providing contextual meaning to the notion of 'militia' from the time that, when combined with the definition of 'well regulated' you present, paints a far different view of 'well regulated militia' than our recent and highly activist decision on the matter."
From the time that law articles were first indexed in 1888 through 1959, every single one concluded that the 2nd amendment did not guarantee an individual the right to own a gun.
Additionally, the Supreme Court did not set any sort of clear precedent about it until the 2008 DC handgun case. People are retroactively projecting their personal wishes onto the Founding Fathers to try to justify them. I personally have no problem with interpreting vague statutes in a manner that we collectively believe things should work, that's democracy, but the people in this case are also much more likely to declare themselves Believers in the Constitution in a Biblical sense.
Escopeta posted Why don't they invade here? Why don't they try to take over the US? Is it because we have more bombs than they do? Is it because our standing army is so great? Good Grief.
Ah, yes. The old "the real reason the USSR never invaded was because of personal gun ownership" trope. And said in such a Stosselian manner! Nearly convincing. Also complete bullsh#t. Stop watching Red Dawn so much.
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F
climber
away from the ground
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That's cute. 'Lil Bang Bang thinks the only thing standing between a full scale invasion of the Motherland is him and his buckshot brethren.
Maybe he's right. That amount of stupid in those concentrations could be deadly to anybody without the proper anti bodies.
By anti bodies I mean Big Macs and Fox News.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Three, the notion that a bunch of rednecks could even remotely resist, let alone overtake Blackhawk helicopters, clusterbombs, Sherman tanks, Puff the Magic Dragon, and the superior training of our armed forces, etc., is so far fetched, it is difficult not to be insulting when debunking that argument.
By all means, be as insulting as you like. Debunk that argument. You seem like someone who REALLY knows what they are talking about.
Let's start it off this way. Multiple choice so it will be easy.
Let's say, for arguments sake that Donald Trump gets elected and at the end of his 4 years he's not done and decides, "I think I'll stay" and he has the FULL and COMPLETE backing of our active military to go to Dictator status. I mean, the military is ON BOARD and open for business against anyone that tries to fight it.
I know, it's far fetched but stay with me.
Donald Trump has bodyguards everywhere he goes, and an entire platoon protecting him as he travels the country hand-waving out of his Trump-mobile.
Here's the question. (Remember, the whole military is with him and protecting him at all times).
How long till Donald Trump the Dictator is dead?
a) Years
b) Months
c) Weeks
d) days
e) less than 3 days
f) less than 24 hours
What's your guess?
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dikhed
climber
State of fugue and disbelief
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BTW, the "default" militia argument is one of the stupdier arguments I've heard. We have a standing army. We do not have or need a militia. There's the companion argument, also pit out by gun rights folks, that an armed citizenry is needed to protect against the tyranny of the government, if needed. One, that is contrary what the intended purpose of the Second Amendment. Two, its insurrectionist. Three, the notion that a bunch of rednecks could even remotely resist, let alone overtake Blackhawk helicopters, clusterbombs, Sherman tanks, Puff the Magic Dragon, and the superior training of our armed forces, etc., is so far fetched, it is difficult not to be insulting when debunking that argument.
The Taliban and the mujahideen might differ with that opinion. Don't worry rad dad you live in the right state for your opinion
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Essy - your assessment of the military is insulting to anyone who has served. The military, from top to bottom will not obey unlawful orders. There are a few exceptions to that rule, the residents of My Lai are witnesses to that, at least the ones that survived, 500 died.
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