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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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You guys living in California are crazy. Move to Colorado and smoke pot and carry your concealed weapons. This is where the action is.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Nah, you have a complete right to carry a concealed gun on a plane or in a courtroom.
Just keep doing it.
All well regulated militias do.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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No problem. it'll go the the supremes were as soon as Garland is confirmed to break the deadlock the ruling will be struck down,
Oh, wait.
LOL!!!
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jun 10, 2016 - 06:20am PT
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Lorenzo, do you mean to tell me that you if allowed you would carry a gun into a court room and kill people? Or on a plane?
You would do that?
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jun 10, 2016 - 06:34am PT
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I sure hope this thread doesn't detract from "Ready for Donald"... priorities people.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jun 10, 2016 - 06:37am PT
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Fear, I thought spreading the love was good thing?
EDIT: I realized I hadn't used your namesake logo for while.....
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Jun 10, 2016 - 06:49am PT
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Another BIG issue society needs to take in hand, is the temporary chemical castration of high school and college age boys who are in no position to be procreating.
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ground_up
Trad climber
mt. hood /baja
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Jun 10, 2016 - 07:14am PT
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In Oregon , same sex couples can guard their weed plants with firearms.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 10, 2016 - 07:27am PT
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WTF? Majid, where ya been?
haven't seen you around here...
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dikhed
climber
State of fugue and disbelief
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Jun 10, 2016 - 07:35am PT
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he's been out hording ammo and firearms
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Karkoekstan
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 10, 2016 - 07:52am PT
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bluering
I am here, spend the past weekend with Werner
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 10, 2016 - 09:33am PT
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I am here, spend the past weekend with Werner
Now that's an awesome weekend right there! Just ain't seen you posting much, but that's just an observation.
Concealed carry gets a lot of people fearful for no reason. CCW (conceal/carry weapons) permit holders are not people to be feared. These are people you'd beg to have around in certain scenarios.
Kinda like air marshalls. You don't know who they are, if they're even they, but you know the exist and carry weapons. Their job? Keep good people safe, disable bad people.
Private citizens given this responsibility are just as safe. The record shows this.
Now LEO losing their weapons, are allowing them to be stolen because of negligence? Bigger problem, but still not all that common.
Move along. Bigger problems out there.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jun 10, 2016 - 10:07am PT
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How nice it must be for the criminals to have a government sanctioned guarantee that their victims are unarmed.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jun 10, 2016 - 10:11am PT
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Concealed weapons permits in California are issued by the county sheriff. Local control folks, just like the right wingers like it, or would they prefer the state took over that function. I suspect it is much easier to get a CCW permit in a rural county, as it should be. Funny how the right wingers want to usurp local control through the courts when they do not get their way.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jun 10, 2016 - 10:14am PT
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So, people in rural counties are less dangerous than city folk? That's funny.
Your slip is showing....
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jun 10, 2016 - 10:35am PT
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There must be an angle here on The Donald so we can consolidate this fruitful discourse over on that other thread...
Isn't Trump claiming pro-2A? Even if most billionaires really aren't since they generally know peasants with only pitchforks are MUCH easier to deal with.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jun 10, 2016 - 10:41am PT
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Apply some logic Essy, a better case can be made for weapons in rural areas. The local sheriffs apply the law according to the needs of the constituents in their jurisdiction, as it should be. If I lived in the boonies I might actually own a weapon, but I would never carry a concealed weapon even if I had a permit. I live in the city, I feel safe without a weapon in my house, in fact I feel safer because I know that weapons are more likely to accidentally kill someone than to be used to stop a crime. If you do not like the rules then move to a different county or a different state.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 10, 2016 - 10:43am PT
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The Donald is CCW holder, and he carries often I hear, despite all the security.
I have no problem with local county Sheriffs issuing the permits, in fact it's probably best that way. They know the area, the potential threats, and are better able to gauge whether it's appropriate or not for a particular applicant to get a CCW permit.
Better than some bureaucrat in Sacramento making the call.
FYI: Santa Clara County (my perimeter) is pretty darn tough to get a CCW permit from what I hear. Never tried though.
EIDT: If you do not like the rules then move to a different county or a different state.
I always love that argument. People move into my state, turn it into a pinko-paradise, take over just about every gov't seat, and I'm supposed to move because I don't like it.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jun 10, 2016 - 10:52am PT
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Its great that you feel safe in your city. Statistically speaking, you are far less safe, but it really doesn't matter because we are talking about feelings. So I get it.
I'm not advocating for you to be required to carry a gun, why should you (or anyone else, local sheriff included) feel obligated to require that I not carry a gun?
Its really that simple. All I'm asking is for a choice to NOT be made for me.
Why don't you join the cause, do you not want people to be able to make their own choices in life? You choose to not carry a gun, do you want to keep the right to make that choice?
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