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bluering
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Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 19, 2010 - 08:31pm PT
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You are not a battered woman... you are not a New Yorker... you weren't anywhere near NY... your only connection to the WTC tragedy is the boob tube... you are a sheep.
Is it still cool to sympathize with the feeling of other (pissed NYers)? The Imam obviously doesn't, but many Americans do. 70% roughly.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 19, 2010 - 08:31pm PT
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dear taco denizens,
every time you open this thread god kills a kitten.
Interesting God you worship.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 19, 2010 - 08:36pm PT
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Note, though, that the majority of the people who ACTUALLY LIVE THERE, Manhattan, are in favor.
Also note that taken as a whole, New Yorker don't want it built AT ALL, ANYWHERE. So much for the "spirit of compromise".
There was a time in the country when people advocated for local rights.....oh, that was conservatives! What happened to that?
A majority of New Yorkers oppose plans to build a mosque and Muslim cultural center two blocks from Ground Zero, according to a Quinnipiac University Poll released Thursday.
Fifty-two percent of the respondents said they did not want the mosque to be built at all, 31 percent are in favor of it, and 17 percent are undecided.
"New York enjoys a reputation as one of the most tolerant places in America, but New Yorkers are opposed to a proposal to build a mosque two blocks from Ground Zero," said Quinnipiac University Polling Institute Director Maurice Carroll in a press release.
"Is it because we're still nursing the wounds from the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center or is it more like bigotry?" he asked.
Broken down by borough, Manhattan was the most in favor of the mosque, with only 36 percent of residents against it. On the other end of the spectrum was Staten Island, where 73 percent of respondents were opposed.
"Liberal Manhattan accepts the mosque and trusts Islam," observed Carroll. "Staten Island, where there's controversy about another proposed mosque, is more skeptical."
According to the poll, 56 percent of white voters, 45 percent of black voters, and 60 percent of Hispanic voters oppose the mosque. Along religious lines, 66 percent of Jews, 66 percent of Catholics, and 46 percent of Protestants were opposed.
The poll also researched New Yorkers' opinions of Islam. Fifty-five percent of New Yorkers believe that mainstream Islam is a "peaceful religion, while only 22 percent said Islam "encourages violence against non-Muslims." Twenty-three percent of New Yorkers are undecided. The full report can be found here.
Quinnipiac researchers questioned 1,183 registered New York City voters from June 21-28. The margin of error was approximately 2.9 points.
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John Moosie
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Beautiful California
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Aug 19, 2010 - 08:40pm PT
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Is it still cool to sympathize with the feeling of other (pissed NYers)? The Imam obviously doesn't, but many Americans do. 70% roughly.
Hey Blue, could it be because so many Americans get their news from fox news, a leading source of misinformation in this country.
Mosque being built on ground zero.. false
Imam hates America.. false
Terrorist organizations funding mosque.. false
Greek church not allowed to rebuild.. false.
Do you see a pattern?
How close is too close to ground zero? Fox news tries to sensationalize the news, leading people into fear.
Might doesn't make right.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Aug 19, 2010 - 08:54pm PT
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 19, 2010 - 08:56pm PT
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Mosque being built on ground zero.. false
Imam hates America.. false
Terrorist organizations funding mosque.. false
Greek church not allowed to rebuild.. false.
Do you see a pattern?
Yes.
Mosque prayer area on top floor - check
Imam working to institute sharia law - check
Terrorists funding mosque - We don't know anything because they HIDE funding.
Greek Church not allowed to rebuild - Check, the "deal is dead" as of now.
See a pattern?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 19, 2010 - 09:14pm PT
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Yes.
Mosque prayer area on top floor - check
Imam working to institute sharia law - check
Terrorists funding mosque - We don't know anything because they HIDE funding.
Greek Church not allowed to rebuild - Check, the "deal is dead" as of now.
See a pattern?
Nope..
Mosque prayer area on top floor. But the top floor isn't at ground zero, so fox news mislead.
"Terrorists funding mosque - We don't know anything because they HIDE funding".... who gives a sh#t who is funding it? Why is this important if the main Imam building the church teaches getting along? Do you know anything about Sufis? They aren't the radicals of Islam so the chance that some money might come from a group with ties to terrorism is incredibly slim. This is a very misleading argument. Do you know how many crooks attend church? How much money do Christian churches get from out and out crooks? How many politicians have been caught lying and cheating and stealing while claiming to be righteous, tithe paying members of some church? Does that mean the church shouldn't use their money?
"Greek Church not allowed to rebuild - Check, the "deal is dead" as of now." Uh.. what deal? That they can't use government money to build a church. check.. I have no problem with that. They have insurance, that is what it is for. More misleading crap making people think that a mosque is being allowed to be built at ground zero, while a greek church is not. This just isn't true. The mosque isn't at ground zero and the greek church could rebuild, just not with government money.
Check and mate.. Fox news is a misleading pile of crap.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 19, 2010 - 09:22pm PT
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Don't you people know that Rupert Murdoch is an envious snake in a mans body.
The fuker hates Arabs.
He's an evil snake .....
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Aug 19, 2010 - 09:23pm PT
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Cool Ron now you will have a place to feel safe.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 19, 2010 - 09:24pm PT
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John, you don't maybe realize how wrong you are.
Is it really not ground zero? It was within landing gear range of the incident, and was actually hit by debris.
As for the Church, the state agreed to help out. They offered to rebuild it at a certain expense. This is diffent than your idiotic Church/State argument. The state failed the Church and offered to repair/rebuild it.
The whole separation crap is BS. Do some research on it. Is it o.k. for the taxpayer to fund an Imam to go globetrotting around the world to preach Islamic tolerance?
...that's what I thought....
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Aug 19, 2010 - 09:47pm PT
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"Is it really not ground zero? It was within landing gear range of the incident, and was actually hit by debris."--Bluering
Are you serious here with that statement?
Debris from 2 crashing and exploding airliners defines your hallowed "Ground Zero" line of demarcation?
Holy crap, Bluey--your mergence of 80's hippie with modern conservative has made you batty, sir...
But please, keep up with whatever it is your doing--I don't get cable TV and need the entertainment:-)
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 19, 2010 - 09:53pm PT
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Debris from 2 crashing and exploding airliners defines your hallowed "Ground Zero" line of demarcation?
Yeah, that's I how see it....
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Aug 19, 2010 - 09:54pm PT
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Honestly, if the location (actual ground zero - the footprint of the former WTCs) really is that sacred, why build anything there at all?
An honest question - I'm not being a smarty-pants (a rare moment).
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Aug 19, 2010 - 10:11pm PT
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"A side story: The old Burlington Coat Factory building, about half of the land to be developed was worth as much as 18 million until the landing gear from United flight 175 fell through the roof damaging the structure and leaving the building abandoned until today. Recently the Muslim run Soho Properties bought the building for 4.85 million cash, so the folks building the Mosque got a sweet deal on the property thanks to the 9-11 attacks."
The Imam has been operating a mosque in the neighborhood for years, starting long before the 9/11 attacks. They are looking to expand. They needed a good location, near public transportation at an affordable price. I believe that this is the main reason why they bought this building, it fits all of the criteria.
The property was for sale and anyone could have bought it and presumably "got a sweet deal on the property thanks to the 9/11 attacks" but everyone else in the market for real estate either did not place the same value on the property, or were looking for an even sweeter deal, because they didn't buy it.
It's kind of interesting how you describe Soho Properties as the "Muslim run Soho Properties." Descriptors like that ("Muslim") are usually only used when people think that it is relevant, and I question whether it is here.
If I visit New York and decide to visit Ground Zero, and I take a taxi cab that has a driver who just happens to be Muslim, should this also be described as a "Muslim getting a sweet deal because of 9/11"?
Much of the commerce in lower Manhattan and most of the real estate prices have been influenced by 9/11 and Ground Zero. So I suppose some would say that Muslims should stay away from Lower Manhattan altogether.
A shopping center is being built on Ground Zero. Are we going to see any outcry if there are any Muslim-owned shops there, or if any Muslim is so "insensitive" as to shop there?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 19, 2010 - 10:51pm PT
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Honestly, if the location (actual ground zero - the footprint of the former WTCs) really is that sacred, why build anything there at all?
An honest question - I'm not being a smarty-pants (a rare moment).
That may be why it's taken so long to build there. But I'm sure lawyers and unions aren't helping.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 19, 2010 - 10:53pm PT
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Aug 19, 2010 - 10:53pm PT
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Can't be as they started preparing the site for reconstruction a loooong time ago (I was there - saw it with my own orbs).
The delays have nothing to do with it being sacred ground it appears to me. Honestly, only recently have I heard talk that it is sacred or hallowed.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 19, 2010 - 11:00pm PT
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Can't be as they started preparing the site for reconstruction a loooong time ago (I was there - saw it with my own orbs).
The delays have nothing to do with it being sacred ground it appears to me. Honestly, only recently have I heard talk that it is sacred or hallowed.
Nobody is claiming your wrongful remark, that it it's "hallowed" or "sacred", WTF????
A saint didn't die there! It was American citizens. That's why people object. Not because a Saint died there, but because American workers died there. And their families protest it.
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