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rectorsquid
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Lake Tahoe
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May 31, 2011 - 11:57am PT
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Liberals love abortion...
That has got to be the most screwed up thing I have ever heard. Maybe liberals love freedom to do whatever they want, and maybe liberals love letting a woman do whatever she wants, but loving abortion? I don't think so. That's like saying that conservatives hate civil rights.
Dave
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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May 31, 2011 - 12:18pm PT
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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May 31, 2011 - 02:47pm PT
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The fundamental root of the left's animosity towards Jesus and God is simple -- our country was founded upon the belief, as stated in the Declaration of Indpendence, that our individual rights are endowed to us by our Creator, NOT MAN.
The key word is OUR, not YOUR, Creator.
The entire problem with Religions in our country derives from the need to IMPOSE one's religion upon others. Some religions consider it a right and a neccessity to do this. Historically, at the point of a sword.
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go-B
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Sozo
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May 31, 2011 - 11:30pm PT
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Either nothing we do matters or everything does!(other than to us, that is)
God said to rest on the seventh day!(even resting matters)
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go-B
climber
Sozo
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Psalm 103
Of David.
1 Praise the LORD, my soul;
all my inmost being, praise his holy name.
2 Praise the LORD, my soul,
and forget not all his benefits—
3 who forgives all your sins
and heals all your diseases,
4 who redeems your life from the pit
and crowns you with love and compassion,
5 who satisfies your desires with good things
so that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s.
6 The LORD works righteousness
and justice for all the oppressed.
7 He made known his ways to Moses,
his deeds to the people of Israel:
8 The LORD is compassionate and gracious,
slow to anger, abounding in love.
9 He will not always accuse,
nor will he harbor his anger forever;
10 he does not treat us as our sins deserve
or repay us according to our iniquities.
11 For as high as the heavens are above the earth,
so great is his love for those who fear him;
12 as far as the east is from the west,
so far has he removed our transgressions from us.
13 As a father has compassion on his children,
so the LORD has compassion on those who fear him;
14 for he knows how we are formed,
he remembers that we are dust.
15 As for mortals, their days are like grass,
they flourish like a flower of the field;
16 the wind blows over it and it is gone,
and its place remembers it no more.
17 But from everlasting to everlasting
the LORD’s love is with those who fear him,
and his righteousness with their children’s children—
18 with those who keep his covenant
and remember to obey his precepts.
19 The LORD has established his throne in heaven,
and his kingdom rules over all.
20 Praise the LORD, you his angels,
you mighty ones who do his bidding,
who obey his word.
21 Praise the LORD, all his heavenly hosts,
you his servants who do his will.
22 Praise the LORD, all his works
everywhere in his dominion.
Praise the LORD, my soul.
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go-B
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Sozo
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Jun 19, 2011 - 02:36pm PT
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Happy Father's Day,
To God who sent His Son Jesus to pay for our bail for all eternity!
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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people belive in god
because they lack the emotional verve and resolve
to manage their own destiny.
faith is a cop out.
a surrender to fear.
a cowardly gesture.
an expression of absolute ignroance.
we come with a flame burning inside of us,
it makes us warm and glow.
life is drawn to it, our flame.
this inherited spark is extinguished
by one's commitment to religion.
those folks appear ghastly and pale.
their presence emits cold.
in hopes of taming creation,
they have bludgeoned to death their own creativity.
f*#king thought zombies, they.
any day i'd rather converse with a tree than religious zealot.
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Dingus - My Thoughts EXACTLY...saw the title, came here looking to write exactly that as well...sniffle...
We hope you've found peace, Juan.
-Tom
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Wake me up when Emma Thompson gets done "refuting" religion. Maybe at that time we can convince her to explain the awful historical track record of state-mandated atheism.
BTW norwegian's poem lacks a distinctive haute couture despite its poem de jour status .
I "refute" said poem because it is overly emotional, reactionary , and fails to make some critical and necessary distinctions!!
LOL
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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What political party, or even prominent current political person, is advocating "Atheism"
as the official US government non-religion?
non that i know of
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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What political party, or even prominent current political person, is advocating "Atheism"
Give them time ---they'll eventually get around to it.
Besides it currently is too politically disadvantageous to do so.
The statism of the western Left is built upon incrementalism. Unlike the Soviets or Chicoms who were more revolutionary.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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The United States is, by design, a secular democracy. This is the only governing formula so far that enables a peaceful coexistence between those who choose to believe and those who choose not to.
Do you have a specific idea to improve this system? If so, what is that idea?
My second question is in regards to one of your statements - do you believe there is a campaign afoot to amend the Constitution to strike that part of the 1st Amendment that secures religious freedom in this country? If so, can you provide links to such a campaign so that the rest of us may educated ourselves about it?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for Atheism to become the US official policy, Ward
but maybe you are right, those pesky 50 million people who vote for Democrats (the left) gather secretly and plot to incrementally introduce Atheism, they being Pagans and all
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Do you have a specific idea to improve this system? If so, what is that idea?
To prevent a slide into state-mandated atheism , for one thing.
plot to incrementally introduce Atheism,
Its not a "plot" per se, but an open jihad on traditional values. In case you haven't noticed?
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Specifically, what actions would you propose the government of the United States take, Ward?
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Specifically, what actions would you propose the government of the United States take?
It's more a matter of those current morons not doing anything at all ---beyond simply observing the Constitution.( I know---fat chance)
For myself I see it as a matter of convincing people the history and origins of attempts at social engineering that takes the shape we have seen in the modern totalitarian states.
One of the salient features of same has been the outlawing of religion.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Do you believe that the leadership of the United States should not observe the Constitution, ei, that our government should operate outside the rule of law? If so, what specific actions would you like to see our government take outside the rule of law?
Has the government of the United States outlawed religion? If so, how? If not, can you identify a specific movement or campaign that seeks outlaw religion in the United States? How does this movement propose to accomplish this?
If you suddenly found yourself in a position of power - the Presidency, Speaker of the House, or Chief Justice, for example - what action would you take to rectify the harms you see?
And finally, if you are unsuccessful at convincing other people to come around to your viewpoint - if they choose other beliefs and values, are you OK with that?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Its not a "plot" per se, but an open jihad on traditional values. In case you haven't noticed?
curious, Ward, since you see the American "left" as engaging in an open "jhad" on traditional values.....
what traditional values are under such manic assault in this country?
oh wait, you mean "social positions" that you personally disagree with?
like that pesky US Supreme Court making abortion legal decades ago maybe?
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Do you believe that the leadership of the United States should not observe the Constitution, ei, operate outside the rule of law? If so, what specific actions would you like to see them take?
My answer to this question is indicated in my above post.
I would never suggest the political leadership in this nation violate our laws---especially Constitutional law, quite the opposite.
Has the government of the United States outlawed religion? If so, how? If not, can you identify a specific movement or campaign to outlaw religion in the United States?
At this moment in time ,as everyone knows, religion has not been outlawed in the US. Whether or not there are "movements " or "campaigns" currently on the scene advocating the eradication of the First Amendment is of no particular interest to me---until or unless they become more visible.
More specifically, if you suddenly found yourself in a position of power - the Presidency, or Speaker of the House, for example - what action would you take to rectify the harms you see?
What specific "harms" that I see?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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the harms being the assault on traditional values, specifically by the political left?
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