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WBraun
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Apr 17, 2011 - 02:48am PT
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No
God is the authority .....
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Apr 17, 2011 - 03:30am PT
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To know God is the authority, you must have an authority on God to know God. Of which, I don't. And I don't believe anyone else does either.
The way I see, none of us has any knowledge of who we are or where we came from. Why not just let that be?
I will never trust anyone who claims otherwise.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Apr 17, 2011 - 04:04am PT
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For sure, no one makes any progress with any field of knowledge, whether science or spirituality, if they are sure they have nothing more to learn before they even start.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 17, 2011 - 04:19am PT
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They think they are the chief...
There is no chief, no authority - be brave, be your own.
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go-B
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Sozo
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Apr 17, 2011 - 10:13am PT
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I learn something new everyday reading the word (Bible) of God!
Lamentations 3:22, The LORD'S lovingkindnesses indeed never cease,
For His compassions never fail.
23 They are new every morning;
Great is Your faithfulness.
24 "The LORD is my portion," says my soul,
"Therefore I have hope in Him."
25 The LORD is good to those who wait for Him,
To the person who seeks Him.
26 It is good that he waits silently
For the salvation of the LORD.
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WBraun
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Apr 17, 2011 - 12:16pm PT
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The way I see, none of us has any knowledge of who we are or where we came from.
There is no chief, no authority - be brave, be your own.
You 2 guys are hypocrites.
You just made your own authority statements.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Apr 18, 2011 - 02:01am PT
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To the Bible believers:
Do you pick and choose what you want to believe from the Bible? Or is it all the word of God?
If you pick and choose, why would you choose to believe the parts that condemn minorities like gay folks?
If it's all the word of God, then you believe slavery is acceptable right?
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go-B
climber
Sozo
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Apr 18, 2011 - 11:59am PT
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glanton,
You don't eat Christ's real flesh and drink His blood, it is to remember what He did for us!
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go-B
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Sozo
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Apr 18, 2011 - 12:07pm PT
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The Lord's Supper
Luke 22:14, When the hour had come, He reclined at the table, and the apostles with Him.
15 And He said to them, "I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer;
16 for I say to you, I shall never again eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God."
17 And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He said, "Take this and share it among yourselves;
18 for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine from now on until the kingdom of God comes."
19 And when He had taken some bread and given thanks, He broke it and gave it to them, saying, "This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me."
20 And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.
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cintune
climber
Midvale School for the Gifted
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Apr 18, 2011 - 12:21pm PT
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cintune
climber
Midvale School for the Gifted
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Apr 18, 2011 - 01:10pm PT
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CSI Calvary.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Apr 18, 2011 - 02:26pm PT
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So go-b you are saying it's ok to pick and choose what parts to believe? That makes a lot more sense to me.
However it does make one responsible when they choose to believe the bigoted/evil parts.
We can ignore things like:
Psalms 137:8-9, God is asked to bless those who would bash Babylonian babies against stones in an act of mass infanticide.
Exodus 21:7: "And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do."
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go-B
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Sozo
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Apr 18, 2011 - 08:28pm PT
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Psalm 137
http://www.brfwitness.org/?p=518
How would you feel if you were a Jew under the Natzi regime in WWII, an eye for an eye? Jesus said to love your enemy, I would need God's help to do that!
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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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Apr 18, 2011 - 09:01pm PT
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it isn't symbolic, gobee. it's called transubstantiation. it's the real mofo, the really, really stuff, not the welch's grape juice you get in certain churches. there's a quote about it somewhere, no matter which pitter-patter you subscribe to. can't get into the kingdom of heaven without it. god's lawyers got you cornered. it's not the piece of cheese you think.
sometimes jesus says love your enemy, sometimes he says turn the other cheek, sometimes he says he's here to bring a sword and turn brother against brother. he don't have his sh#t straight. ergo? he can't be god, just another confused human.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Apr 18, 2011 - 09:05pm PT
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There's a lot of good stuff in the Bible and a lot of B.S.
Love thy enemy I take as advice for yourself. If you hate someone that consumes you and makes YOU miserable and doesn't harm your enemy at all. If you try to love and understand your enemy YOU are better off. It doesn't mean you can't kill your enemy as a last resort if you need to.
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cintune
climber
Midvale School for the Gifted
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Apr 18, 2011 - 09:41pm PT
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Uh, nope, sorry. He clearly identifies himself as an instigator.
You must not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a son’s wife against her mother-in-law; and a man will find his enemies under his own roof.
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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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Apr 18, 2011 - 09:51pm PT
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cintune's got it right. "prince of peace" is not what it's about. what it's about is: join my club, or else.
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cintune
climber
Midvale School for the Gifted
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Apr 18, 2011 - 11:28pm PT
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Do you think Matthew was misquoting?
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 19, 2011 - 12:40am PT
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The idiots
They claim the bible is all bullsh'it and the same time they take it as fact for their stupid mental speculations.
Total hypocrites and it proves they can't think nor see themselves out of a paper bag.
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