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cintune
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Midvale School for the Gifted
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Apr 10, 2011 - 04:50pm PT
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Bertrand Russell said, “What we need is not the will to believe, but the will to find out.” I do think one of the vices of religion is it teaches you to be satisfied with not understanding. As Augustine said, “There is another form of temptation, even more fraught with danger. This is the disease of curiosity. It is this which drives us to try to discover the secrets of nature, those secrets which are beyond our understanding, which can avail us nothing and which man should not wish to learn.” But as Mark Twain said, “When you know a man’s religious complexion, you now what sort of religious books he reads when he wants some more light, and what sort of books he avoids, lest by accident he gets more light than he wants.”
http://friendlyatheist.com/
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shut up and pull
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Apr 10, 2011 - 06:16pm PT
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Feel the hope!
Feel the change!
From Powerline today:
Today the White House announced that President Obama will deliver a major speech Wednesday evening to "lay out a broad plan to reduce the nation's soaring deficit and debt." David Plouffe says the new plan will make clear that Obama "believes we need significant deficit reduction in the coming years."
But wait! Didn't Obama just lay out for us his vision of the nation's fiscal future? Indeed he did: the administration presented its FY 2012 budget on February 14, less than 60 days ago. And already, that budget has been relegated to the scrap heap. Obama will now start over with a fiscal plan that he hopes will be more credible than his official FY 2012 proposal.
That tells you everything you need to know about who won the standoff over FY 2011. Republican calls for a responsible budget are in the ascendancy, as the administration's polling evidently confirms. You can draw the same conclusion from the evolution in Harry Reid's statements about spending cuts, as noted by Andrew Stiles at The Corner:
Harry Reid, Feb. 3, 2011, on Paul Ryan's initial offer of $32 billion in spending cuts:
The chairman of the Budget Committee today, today sent us something even more draconian than we originally anticipated...So this isn't some game that people have been playing. The House of Representatives [is] actually sending us some of these unworkable plans.
Harry Reid, April 9, 2011, on a deal to cut $38.5 billion:
This is historic, what we've done.
When the Democrats are trying to take credit for spending cuts (much as President Clinton tried to claim credit for welfare reform, after vetoing it twice), you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing.
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go-B
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Sozo
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Apr 14, 2011 - 08:14am PT
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Hey TB, what's not to like...
Credit: Daily Readings from the Life of CHRIST, vol.3-John MacArthur
All to Him I owe, thank you Jesus!
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Apr 14, 2011 - 11:24am PT
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here's what's not to like, gobee. this is a climber's discussion thread. discussion means to talk in your own words, not to post gobs of propaganda and garbage. most of us don't like what you're doing here. we're waiting for you to run out of steam so this rather important discussion can get back on track. you've killed it with the screed.
you're not helping your case any, if you're out to talk about what your religion means to you. it shows you can't even put it in your own words, and you can't take the criticism you're likely to get.
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go-B
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Sozo
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Apr 16, 2011 - 07:59am PT
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Your glory is higher than the mountains,
I long to be where you are.
What a friend we have in Jesus,
Son of God, Son of man our brother,
High exalted one.
Grace on earth,
good will towards man,
the Cornerstone,
the great I AM!
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cintune
climber
Midvale School for the Gifted
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Apr 16, 2011 - 01:24pm PT
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jstan
climber
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Apr 16, 2011 - 05:10pm PT
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Physics Today carried an article about attempts to computer model how the Universe evolved during the first billion years. During the first half billion years charged particles interacted with light so light from that period( coming across 13 billion light-years of space) cannot be seen by our telescopes.
The following is excerpted:
"Associated with the ionizing radiation( ultraviolet light) of the massive primordial star is a rise in pressure that repels material from the dark matter halos at 10 times the gravitational escape speed. Consequently, as shown in figure 4, within a few million years of being born, massive stars have largely evacuated their birthplaces. At the end of the star's life, the surrounding density may be as low as 0.1-1 particles/cc. with such low densities, if the star dies in a supernova explosion, the heavy elements it ejects can travel more than 1000 light years into the intergalactic medium. The inexorable force of gravity will collect that material into small star forming regions; figure 5 shows a simulated image. Over the next billion years, tens of thousands of those regions came together to form the Milky Way. Indeed, as many as one in a thousand carbon and oxygen atoms in our bodies is thought to have been made in the earliest generations of massive stars."
End of excerpt
Some parts of us may be almost 13 billion years old.
http://twitter.com/PhysicsToday/status/55269786132819968
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Andree Hussar
climber
ny
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Apr 16, 2011 - 08:26pm PT
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GOD CREATED ADAPTATION/ EVOLUTION . THE BIBLE LEAVES THAT OUT BECAUSE IT IS NOT IMPORTANT.
THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE IS THAT WE HAVE SEPARATION FROM GOD BECAUSE WE INHERITED SIN.
JESUS IMPUTED OUR SIN WHEN HE DIED ON THE CROSS.
AND BECAUSE HE IS RIGHTEOUS/ WITHOUT SIN WE NOW ARE COVERED BY HIS BLOOD AND ARE RIGHTEOUS BEFORE GOD AND WILL NOT HAVE TO PAY THE PENALTY THAT SIN DEMANDS ;
IE ( PERMANENT SEPARATION FROM GOD FOR ETERNITY).
THAT IS WHAT EASTER IS ALL ABOUT...
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cintune
climber
Midvale School for the Gifted
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Apr 16, 2011 - 08:51pm PT
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Apr 16, 2011 - 09:04pm PT
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our original sin happened as a sting operation in the Garden of Eden?
because we used our "free will" freely?
I'll stick with science and continue to consider "God" as a fantasy.
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jstan
climber
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Apr 16, 2011 - 09:49pm PT
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Brilliant cintune!
Gorgeous eggs in a filthy pot.
Pretty well sums it up.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Apr 16, 2011 - 11:32pm PT
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Or perhaps that out of an old, well used vessel, something beautiful can still be created?
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go-B
climber
Sozo
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Apr 17, 2011 - 12:47am PT
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Psalm 127:1, Unless the LORD builds the house,
They labor in vain who build it;
Unless the LORD guards the city,
The watchman keeps awake in vain.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Apr 17, 2011 - 12:59am PT
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hey there say, jan... as to your quote:
Or perhaps that out of an old, well used vessel, something beautiful can still be created?
say, i like that--as, well, :) i AM gettig older, and i like to think of myself as an older-well-used vessel, but one with some beauty to give my grandkids, and eggs are wholesome enough picture, and they also when not eaten,are hatched into new lif, or new "wisdom" as an example, so to speak... and they look pretty when share as inspiration and colored so nice for spring... :)
thanks for the share, as to that pretty colored egg picture
:)
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Apr 17, 2011 - 01:10am PT
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Even children get it . . .
Children have a lot of fantasies, such as monsters, aliens, and imaginary friends. And you think this brings validity to your belief in God?
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 17, 2011 - 01:54am PT
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Everyone knows God exists just as the finger can not be independent from the whole.
Everyone sees God 24 hours a day everyday and with every breath.
Even the atheists.
Some just don't recognize him.
Thus their minds wander and loose control although they think they're in control.
They think they are the chief.
But little do they know that they're only Indians ....
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Apr 17, 2011 - 01:57am PT
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Some parts of us may be almost 13 billion years old.
Isn't every single atom we're made up of 13+ billion years old? The hydrogen and helium atoms because that was 99.999% of the universe after the Big Bang, and all the heavier elements made from fusion of that hydrogen and helium? The protons, neutrons and electrons of the heavier elements, and any other bits that Ed has found, were all there at the start, they're just combined in different ways.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Apr 17, 2011 - 02:34am PT
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Once again, Werner seems to have it all figured out.
Even the atheists.
And you're an authority on atheism how? I love how you make broad sweeping claims of ignorance. what a joke.
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