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jstan
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Jan 30, 2009 - 01:03pm PT
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Do you suppose Jesus might have already come again and we killed him again?
I guess third time pays for all.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jan 30, 2009 - 03:55pm PT
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"Hey, we just extended the offer.................become a MOT for $29.95 good through February. "
I'm in Fatty! That is, if that qualifies me for the free trip to Israel that each ex-pat MOT gets.
What's the secret handshake
Mazel tov!
Karl
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Gene
climber
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Jan 30, 2009 - 04:38pm PT
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700 Club?
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Jan 30, 2009 - 04:41pm PT
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Ha, 700 club that's very good.
Wasn't there also a PTL club? Believe it stood for pass the loot.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there rockermike... say, i jumped in a mite more than late, i reckon...
say, a lot was going on... and it seems a lot, still is...
think this was about healing, first, if i remember right... well, rocker, say:
i am not christian pentacostal... or any label... (dont really like to say christian, either, as that mean so much, that in the long run--they are all different, under this label as well...
well--just wanted to share, to perhaps help you out, though in the healing stuff, etc...
i do believe in jesus and as we were poor folks, and my now-ex, very hard to life with (and bad with money)--when i learned about trusting jesus as god (and moving with the holy spirit in my life)---the good lord never failed to heal my kids, when i cried-out, cause i had a bad need of help for them....
well now---that is NOT to say, that they did not ever get hurt, as there are LESSONS to learn in life---had a broken arm for one, and two minor car accidents, to all four (seemed the EACH had a different "lesson" to learn---as the BIBLE does say, "life has many storms, but the lord makes a way for us to overcome (and so he did---and the kids DID learn things, that most likely they wished they had learned the "easy" way---if---they would have listened)...
so thus:
1---we learn that healing is there... and even with the son that broke the arm, healing came in a very different way---a way that taught lessons, that would not have been "spiritually discerned" if we had not prayed, in the first place...
2--folks DO forget, that in the bible, jesus did heal (you can chose to belive or not---even as other folks that pray to their cultural gods, do have their healers, that they trust in, and they can chose to believe, as well also, or not).... BUT---WHEN jesus did heal, he made a note, by zering in, say, that so that the folks would know that not only did he heal, but he had power to FORGIVE sins (a word that people-folks SURE hate--i will get back to this, in a few secondes)---he made a point to say, "your sins are forgiven, in one major case, after he healed someone).... i said this, meaning = that if he could do one, he was stating that he could do the other... and why is this important???? .... well, it is because, sure, folks can be healed and love it--they can go off there merry-way, that is, until they DIE.... hmmm... well then, what happens next---hopefully you afterlife is "eternal healing", being that you do NOT take that awful baggage of HATE etc, that folks have, and stuff like that, (you know, murderous intent, etc---this SURE must need a name, one could surely label such, as sin, though god goes a step deeper and include basic hard-core selfishness, as this can give rise to the hate, that leads to murder, etc)....
3---well, moving on---there are times, like even right now, for me, and this IS a first, as i have trusted god/jesus for many years, now, but---i need my leg muscle/nerve to be healed, and this is the first time, that it has dragged on, and it would seem that i am "left out" of being healed... YET---THERE is the "LESSON" that is to be learned, in life, which is FIRST and formost, the priority... (and illness and injury is a great way to purge "selfishness, and the ol' woe-is-me, etc, out of any of us")... so then:
4--who among us, or any others, have not seen the beauty and lovlyiness that comes out of the awful pain, illness, injury, etc, that leads to the WONDERFUL relationship, that is developed by those involved in these situations that OTHERWISE (and i do mean otherwise, thisi is serious, here) would NOT have happened?? meaning that, families have had love bloom, and hearts mended in ways that never had been in there in families, due to the illness, etc, that came there way... (yes, some families have love there, in the first place, but this TOO deepens, and the treasure from it was far beyond riches found here).... (this does NOT mean, that we are to be "thrilled" when folks dont get well, etc, but it DOES mean that "the creator" or, "whoever, in someone elses eyes, as to the powers that be", must know more behind the scenes, than mere man does....
5--i say, mere man, as---anyone that has near froze to death, or anything else, drastic, sure knows that he is not "almighty" and has seen that he is very fragil, as to the elements, on this earth...
6--okay, now... back to me... through this, i have just learned that my dad, who does not open-up, really loves and cares for me, and he has opened up, and TALKED to me...something that would NOT have happened, it i had not run into this bad pain situation---my healing is coming slow, not the usual, FUN and blessed way, but my treasure, is a new RELATIONSHIP, with my dad, even if just for a few months, though this, as, he may delve back into himself, more, and be busy...
7---out of relationship, we all, me included, learn to share more love--and "die more to ourselves" (remember, that ol' "bad nature" that we all could have.... hmmm, yep, it IS called sin, by folks that believe in god...) ... well, it is getting washed out, in these areas, for the folks involved, as the process of healing, takes place... (whether slow, fast, miraculous, or every-day hum-drum)...
8---small note, somefolks, in illness, or injury, can turn down-right bitter and nasty, and vengenfull, against the world, too, as if a wounded critter... some come out of it---others, dont... (if one does not, the inner man, sure is revealed here, perhaps, wouldnt one reckon, that some "eternal" healing is needed... ? a higher healing, for sure... (sins, forgiven, too, would fall in here)....
9---one example, to help, lastly:
my ex father in law, was a man we loved dearly, an alcoholic, that live his life for himself, and unjustly abused his loved ones, emotional, and at times, "in threatenly, alarming ways"... well, he had in later life, riddled with cancer, and all went wrong in him trying to get welll.... just out of the hospital, before he had a stroke, and went in, to die... he was for the FIRST TIME in his life, thinking of his grandkids first (yes, he had loved them as well as he thought he could---though was realing far-lacking)... and by not being healed so fast-and-proper, for the first time, he saw how fragil life was, and his love began to be stirred for them... he was near to give all this to them, but, unknowingly he was too far gone.... though--in his death, he went in peace, and asked jesus for help, as he died, because, of this "journey for the illusive butterfly, called healing"....
10--a huge relationship, was healed, in the process... an act of god, to those that belived, as "who can make a man mend his ways" when he doesnt even know, he needs to??... his "bad nature" is healed.... an eternal healing, is his---as---he body sure dont need it anymore... (though, in the bible, this is said to be raised anew---though, folks dont have to believe, this... i am just sharing, on the tricky aspects of healing, and how it is much deeper than folks think, when they ASK, or cry-out for it... and seem to get it, or not...
so---rockermike... i dont know IF this helped in anyway, but, as to god never failing, in my eyes, he has always given me the greater treasure, and in turn, healed MY inner nature, in the bargain----i got the better deal, as, the lord, got my "garbage", and i am free of it....
hmmm... hope is said all this in a way that helps others, as well...
say, i know that ol' lynne understands this... as she belives in jesus, and, even after she has lost her most beloved man, her husband....
good night, all.... i still have my pain, but will be faithful, through jesus, and i now have much more of dad, than i ever knew before, in my life....
*who, would you wish you could have a lot more of, as you face a hard time, with a healing.... hopefully, it is for more reasons, than just your self, or you may miss the eternal prize... :)
jesus, really, can and does give this prize... i sure love him...
*please, yes, you may disregard this, if this falls under the heading of "fairly tales" to you, as i would not wish to be tricking you, i just wanted to share,as to what rockermike asking about healing... :)
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there, say... rockermike, say... i almost forgot, you also asked if any had seen even miraculous acts of healing...
oh, yes, i have... and in my own family... so much so, that i when i had a miscarraige, i was surprise, very much so, as i had though the good lord would help me keep my baby...
but---he DID heal me, miraculously inside, and there was not a trace of any "debree" etc, inside, after all the bleeding stopped and the last tissue of the baby came out...
the docs were very surprised, there was nothing for them to do, fix-up, clean-up, etc, wise...
and ---here, too, later down the line, i got the deeper treasure, and never held "god accountable for failing me, and my beloved unborn child"....
*but, yes and friends of ours had seen miracles, both small and big... but---not the tremenous type, that folks have seen in the bible history, but still, there are claims by others, throughout the world, as to some of these, still happening, in many poor nations that have families, very desperate, in need...
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