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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 20, 2009 - 10:43am PT
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"Did we land on the moon?"
Silly "debate."
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Jul 20, 2009 - 11:47am PT
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Yeah, silly and just a little bit sad. We need a new "enlightenment" for the 21st century.
So many beliefs grounded in paranoia, based on impossible conspiracies.
Hard to believe it's been forty years. I watched the moon landing on an old 13" black and white tv that used tinfoil for an antennae and you could barely make out what was happening. This was in old camp six in Yos. Valley. The tv was set up in front of someone's tent cabin and a group of a dozen or so mostly intoxicated old guys were watching the show. The whole context felt pretty crazy.
Later that night looking up at the sky seemed just a little strange.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2009 - 04:07pm PT
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Dr. F,
You don't know what you are talking about when it comes to Bible Code:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_code
Read the book, and understand ESL
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 20, 2009 - 08:25pm PT
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I hope no one will be perturbed if the thread briefly returns to its proper topic. Some photos of space geek stuff, from that period.
Our local paper on 21st July 1969. It's normally named The Vancouver Sun, but decided to try a new name that day.
Naturally they had a special section, about ten pages altogether.
And the front page of Vancouver's other paper that day:
And then some stuff I sent away for which NASA sent me.
I have a ton of clippings and stuff, plus other things that NASA sent - they were quite generous.
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 20, 2009 - 09:24pm PT
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That's not the moon planet.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 20, 2009 - 09:53pm PT
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That clip of Buzz Aldrin punching a Moon-hoaxer crackpot is classic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUI36tPKDg4 I believe it happened somewhere in southern California. The local law enforcement refused to do anything about it, I believe on the ground that no jury in the US would convict Buzz Aldrin of clocking a Moon-hoaxer - if there was a prosecutor dumb enough to bring charges.
If Buzz was here, I wonder which of our local loonies he'd start with?
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Jul 20, 2009 - 09:58pm PT
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I'm just happy the US and NASA have an extra $300 billion lying around so we can have Neil's grandson personally dig up a fresh supply of green cheese.
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GDavis
Trad climber
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Jul 20, 2009 - 10:38pm PT
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Whose to say Werner is wrong?
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jul 20, 2009 - 11:08pm PT
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That clip of Buzz Aldrin punching a Moon-hoaxer crackpot is classic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUI36tPKDg4[/i]
hahahahaha! The idiot called him a liar and a coward. What did he think was going to happen? Jeez.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Jul 21, 2009 - 12:27am PT
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Those Apollo 11 astronauts and all the others as well... real heroes, real grit! Talk about climbing with out a rope... they deserve the greatest respect. The risks they took are mind f*cking.
When you say it was a hoax you denigrate that heroism. What they did took real guts; we should all give them the credit they deserve.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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Jul 21, 2009 - 12:51am PT
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While I think the manned space program is largely a huge waste of money (compared to the science done by un-manned ships) I have nothing but respect for the astronauts. Those guys definitely had and still have the 'Right Stuff'. I challenge anybody who doubts their achievements to say so to their face.
Of course retards would never be able to recognize integrity, brains, and courage even if it was standing in front of them.
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 21, 2009 - 12:54am PT
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The first sputnik had a monkey in it.
Did it it have the "right stuff" too?
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 21, 2009 - 12:58am PT
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Sputnik I (1957) had no live passengers, apart from germs.
Sputnik II (1957) had a dog, Laika, on board. (See "My Life as a Dog".)
The first simian in space was in the U.S. Mercury program, in 1961. If/when the USSR sent a chimp up, it was later.
Edit: Not counting any monkees that may have been sent Werner's Imaginary Moon™ to visit Hanuman, that is.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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Jul 21, 2009 - 12:59am PT
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^^^^ That was a political stunt pure and simple. It definitely had its intended effect or, perhaps, not. While it awakened the sleeping giant here it did electrify the Russian populace which still is very proud of their achievements even in view of the failure of their million dollar toilet on the Int Space Station (which I also think is a huge waste of money).
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 21, 2009 - 01:03am PT
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See, even a dog and a monkey can fly in a space ship and have the "right stuff" and bring back nothing or some dust.
The whole thing is a failure and will be in the future.
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Jul 21, 2009 - 01:07am PT
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Laika did not have "the right stuff" because she suffocated or froze to death in space. Might have something to do with being a Russian doggie.
Ham (?) the first chimp had it, because he came back alive. Thank you US taxpayers! You animal lovers, you!
edit: Werner, if offered a ride to the space station, you wouldn't take it? I would do it in a heartbeat!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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Jul 21, 2009 - 01:44am PT
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"even a dog and a monkey can fly in a space ship and have the "right stuff" "
There's a big difference between being an unwitting passenger and being a pilot who makes decisions.
"The whole thing is a failure and will be in the future."
You should define your parameters of failure; non sequiturs do not a compelling argument make. I believe we could agree that the manned space program is largely a political child garbed in the guise of science. The unmanned space program is real science and achieves a lot of science for a fraction of the cost of the manned program. If you decry science then I don't understand how you have the nerve to get into a helicopter on a regular basis.
I know a lot of people who have worked or still work at CalTech and JPL. You might be surprised that many of them probably share your cosmological views to a certain degree. Having their lives rooted in the rigors of science does not prevent them from pondering the unknowable.
For the record I do respect eastern religions and aspire to truly appreciate the sound of one hand clapping. I also aspire to truly understand string theory and dark energy. I just happen to believe it is all one.
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