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GDavis
Trad climber
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Jun 16, 2009 - 06:38pm PT
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I was hoping that you would follow my link and do some research, as I have done, but I will do it for you.
2009
Total Line of Duty Deaths: 59
Gunfire: 19
2008
Total Line of Duty Deaths: 138
Gunfire: 39
2007
Total Line of Duty Deaths: 192
Gunfire: 65
Including a friend of mine in 2006, and a friend of his in the same department the same year in a seperate incident. Both on the force for less than 4 years, both leaving behind infant children.
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GDavis
Trad climber
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Jun 16, 2009 - 06:43pm PT
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"The majority of cop deaths is still traffic accidents."
Please go to that website I linked, I don't want to bother copy-pasting why you're wrong.
I know it seems hard to understand, but as much as you hate authority, I will present the other side. As every other sane person has noted, there are bad eggs everywhere in the world, to think that people with badges are immune to these things is ridiculous.
its all OK in the end, regardless of how ungrateful and hateful their detractors are, these brave men and women put their lives on the line every day to keep you safe and protect you. Give them credit once in a while, because they won't stop supporting you.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 16, 2009 - 06:49pm PT
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The FBI today released preliminary statistics indicating that 41 of our nation’s law enforcement officers were feloniously killed in the line of duty in 2008.
Statistics for 2008...41 officers down - 71 civilian taser deaths.
And that is only taser deaths. No beating deaths, shooting deaths or mysterious self inflicted deaths while in captivity.
And you say hippie like that is a bad thing.
According to the FBI police work is just barely more dangerous than being an electrician.
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GDavis
Trad climber
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Jun 16, 2009 - 06:51pm PT
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Link? Where are you coming up with these numbers?
And how many electricians are murdered on the streets? It would be a far less dangerious occupation, much less than 14th, if people weren't actively trying to kill them on a daily basis.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 16, 2009 - 06:56pm PT
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Don't get me wrong I honor the good cops doing a hard and thankless job. But those who abuse their power should be stripped of authority and prosecuted.
I am an electrician. I put MY life on the line every day as well. But if I do negligent work and someone is injured or dies do I get a pass because my work is dangerous?
SURE, provided I work for KBR.
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GDavis
Trad climber
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Jun 16, 2009 - 07:02pm PT
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Does a thread get started on supertopo if you're negligent? Are you on youtube?
Great, your an electrician. We have plenty, and not enough police. You provide for your family, but the buck stops there. You're not protecting anyone and you certainly don't have every east side gangster trying to off you from across the street so they can get cred.
"Don't get me wrong I honor the good cops doing a hard and thankless job"
Do you?
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Barbarian
Trad climber
slowly dying in the OC
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Jun 16, 2009 - 07:05pm PT
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"It would be a far less dangerious occupation, much less than 14th, if people weren't actively trying to kill them on a daily basis."
I wasn't aware that people were "actively trying to kill" cops on a daily basis.
I'll admit that cops do sometimes run into people who have lethal intent, but "actively trying to kill" on a daily basis may be a bit of an exageration. Don't you think? I mean...if all these people are out to kill people who drive around in uniforms and marked cars, the job would be a lot more dangerous.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 16, 2009 - 07:06pm PT
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Yes I do!
And regarding your comment about not protecting people you are wrong. Protecting people is what I do. Why don't you call Neptune Mountaineering and ask how I just saved them from burning to the ground by detecting and correcting dangerous wiring.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jun 16, 2009 - 07:08pm PT
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GDavis--what is your point about referring to cops getting killed while working? Being a cop is not a particularly dangerous job, at least according to the statistics that I see.
See http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P63405.asp
The links on this thread basically show cops going around acting like jerks and abusing their power. None of them have shown the cops in what any normal person (cop or otherwise) would consider to be a dangerous situation. If you think EVERY situation is life or death--you're right in a way, but if you can't keep it together, maybe you shouldn't be a cop (just like not everyone is really cut out to be climber).
We don't give timber cutters a pass when they go around threatening and abusing other people, or explain their behavior by saying they have a dangerous job (even though they have a job that is FAR more dangerous than being a cop).
Why should cops get special treatment? If anything, they should be held to a higher standard because their potential to abuse their power is much greater than that of an average Joe.
I will grant you this--people who take an extremely lackadaisical attitude when dealing with cop (e.g., start walking away or otherwise acting squirrelly) are just looking for trouble and I don't have a great deal of sympathy for them But cops get paid an above average wage to deal with those types of people as well as to deal with model citizens.
Anyway, power corrupts and there have always been and will always be crooked cops, and I'm glad the prevalence of cameras is giving citizens a tool to try to keep that power in check--it is a constant battle.
Edit: I read the above posts. I don't know if we enough electricians or not, but I sure think we've got more than enough cops. Can't say I've been a real satisfied "customer" when I've been the victim of crime, although I guess the cops of have done a great job of making sure I follow the law by finding the roads with the most ridiculous speed limits and setting speed traps etc.
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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Jun 16, 2009 - 07:09pm PT
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"He was probably "resisting" too, huh Baby Tool? Go back to hiding in the bushes you pitiful little clown."
Dont know there isnt a video, and im not familiar with the case.
Ill go back to the bushes now...
Will, whats with you always calling me names man? I barely know you and I really don't think I've ever wronged you. If I have I'd like to talk with you to see if we can resolve this in more mature manner.
Yeah law enforcement is a walk in the park...
http://www.odmp.org/
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Russ Walling
Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
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Jun 16, 2009 - 07:44pm PT
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I've heard of a guy getting tased in his own yard by the FBI for posting a .jpeg to a forum.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 16, 2009 - 07:50pm PT
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Cops are not even in the top ten of most dangerous jobs in the US.
The 10 most dangerous jobs
Occupation Fatalities per 100,000
Timber cutters 117.8
Fishers 71.1
Pilots and navigators 69.8
Structural metal workers 58.2
Drivers-sales workers 37.9
Roofers 37
Electrical power installers 32.5
Farm occupations 28
Construction laborers 27.7
Truck drivers 25
Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics; survey of occupations with minimum 30 fatalities and 45,000 workers in 2002
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 16, 2009 - 07:55pm PT
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Lol Russ, shocking.
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mark miller
Social climber
Reno
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Jun 16, 2009 - 08:07pm PT
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Fatrad this is a typical situation from your ignorant Bro's in Blue. Serve and protect has gone down the drain and the cops lie with one another to cover their BS stories. Show me otherwise?
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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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Jun 16, 2009 - 08:29pm PT
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Fattrad wrote: "Technically, unless the the lights are on (siren not required), a fire truck, ambulance or police car must obey all traffic laws. BUT, in reality LEO cars will often zip at good speeds to incidents where lights have not been authorized or the situation is marginal."
Now we all know that cops generally drive any which way they choose to. Who wouldn't if there was no one to stop you?
The interesting thing is that the police have the job of oversight, meaning that they can basically stop anyone at anytime and enforce the law or whatever. However, amongst policemen, non-police who have oversight over the coppers are often mistrusted, stonewalled and dispised. When a cop starts trying to mess with a DA, however, things can get ugly vewry fast.
This is your basic power struggle played out in primitive terms.
JL
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 16, 2009 - 08:30pm PT
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I didn't even post the video of the two cops pinning a subdued suspect to the ground while the third cop, a 250 pounder, climbs up on the other two and jumps full force, both feet on the victims head. Of course they lied about it. Until the video came to light. Thank god for video cameras!
Yeah their job is so dangerous they might have gotten blood and grey matter on there jack boots.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Jun 16, 2009 - 08:34pm PT
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skully in one of the first posts...."cultivate your own power, then use it."
Tomatoes, beans, squash, avos, citrus and fruit trees cultivated power doing GRATE. The plebs at work still don't listen to me.....So what do you use for power fertilizer? bwahahaha (course I'm pro the only one that thinks this is funny.) Oh well, gotta have a good laugh even if it's by myself.:D Cheers, lynne
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Jun 16, 2009 - 09:30pm PT
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"Technically, unless the the lights are on (siren not required), a fire truck, ambulance or police car must obey all traffic laws. "
As an EMT I was taught that even WITH lights and sirens on you are still subject to all traffic laws. If you enter an intersection against the light and someone t-bones you that is still your fault.
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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Jun 16, 2009 - 10:45pm PT
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There has never been ONE case were a taser caused death, never. It has been found to be a contributing factor but never the cause. And in a lot of those cases the suspect's that died were hoped up on meth. Lesson here, dont get high and fight with the police.
Philo, your numbers are grossly off.
The taser is a great tool that has taken the place of a firearm in many cases.
and on a side note, the taser dose not affect the central nervous system, it strictly affects the muscular system.
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The Real Perez Hilton
Social climber
Hollywood, CA
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Jun 16, 2009 - 10:57pm PT
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the old bitch deserved to get tased.
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