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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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"Gunning for Armageddon"
I thought it'd be a good route name, but I think it's actually the foreign policy of the far right.
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cupton
climber
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Perhaps some of you would like to see the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1vPYbRB7k&NR=1
How can you watch that and think she is a good choice to be our #2 in command? Do you want her as Commander in Chief sending troops to die in her holy war?
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
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New World Order coming into effect...Happie is right. She's not running for president. Some old dude who probably refers to Iraqis as "gooks" and a half-black guy that everyone is convinced is a Muslim strapped with explosives are. You got Joe Biden the gun grabber and Sarah Palin the book burning creationist in the wings. makes me LOL.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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sandstone,
You're only partly right. Happie's in denial. Anyone who doesn't contemplate the possibility that old, decrepid McCain might die in office is in equal denial. Just another ploy from the right. Plus, after the precedent of power sharing demonstrated by eight years of Bush, who knows if McCain's going to be any different.
Don't you think the country would be way better off now if Cheney wasn't VP for the past eight years?
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crusher
climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Below is a paragraph from this week's Time magazine article on Sarah Palin:
"[Former Wasilla mayor] Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to
inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the
library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some
voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian
was aghast." The librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for
comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened
to fire her for not giving "full support" to the mayor."
Mary Ellen Baker resigned
from her library director job in 1999.
Here is the list of books Palin tried to have banned. As many of you
will notice it is a hit parade for book burners.
A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
Blubber by Judy Blume
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
Canterbury Tales by Chaucer
Carrie by Stephen King
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
Christine by Stephen King
Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Cujo by Stephen King
Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
Decameron by Boccaccio
East of Eden by John Steinbeck
Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland
Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
Forever by Judy Blume
Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
Have to Go by Robert Munsch
Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
Impressions edited by Jack Booth
In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
Lord of the Flies by William Golding
Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
Lysistrata by Aristophanes
More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher Collier
My House by Nikki Giovanni
My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
Night Chills by Dean Koontz
Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
Ordinary People by Judith Guest
Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health Collective
Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz
Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
Separate Peace by John Knowles
Silas Marner by George Eliot
Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
The Bastard by John Jakes
The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
The Living Bible by William C. Bower
The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman
The Pigman by Paul Zindel
The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
The Shining by Stephen King
The Witches by Roald Dahl
The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff
Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween
Symbols by Edna Barth
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dirtbag
climber
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Actually, that isn't the list of books she tried banning. There's a false list of books circulating.
But no matter, the truth is she DID try to ban books.
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crusher
climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Ok let's find the TIME article then.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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The quote from Time magazine, which took about 30 seconds to find and read:
"Palin saw a larger future and presided over Wasilla's rapid expansion. Churches proliferated as well. "We like to call this the Bible Belt of Alaska," says Cheryl Metiva, executive director of the local chamber of commerce. Stein says that as mayor, Palin was as much about promoting conservative values as about promoting growth. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Emmons, couldn't be reached for comment. St. George, however, points out that Palin couldn't have seen everything through a religious lens; like all smart pols, she knows how to appeal to a broad constituency. She did, after all, resist calls to restrict operating hours for the bars in town."
No list of books.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1838572-2,00.html
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Palin, and her fellow travellers, would like to ban some books, and indulge in other anti-constitutional activities. But this pretty clearly doesn't do much to prove it.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Didn't we already try having a President who believes that the Constitution is secondary to the guidance of his personal lord and savior? I'm trying to remember how that one turned out oh wai....
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cmclean
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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What are Palin's ideas and policies? We have no idea since she has not spoken a non-scripted word to anyone yet. But this is some insightful commentary:
"Low expectations will allow Palin to slide under the radar just long enough to hide her shortcomings until after Nov. 4th, when it'll be too late. When you speak of her, don't belittle her. Start by stating that she's a serious candidate, but we don't know enough about her. She is talented, but seems to hold some pretty extreme views...did her religious beliefs influence her attempt to censor books? Start each sentence with an affirmation of her, but end it with open-ended concern about her unknowns. Do this in discussions and blogs and comments to media outlets. Make them:
1. Take her seriously. Whether she deserves esteem not, she will be VP if she is allowed to skate on this.
2. Demand more information. If she is a serious candidate with a serious chance, don't we need to know how she'd govern? If we are taking her seriously, she can't play the victim card for sympathy."
from http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/8/21138/77824
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Dr. Rock
Ice climber
Castle Rock
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1) The last thing a woman needs is a bunch of as#@&%e men, who knocked them up in the first place, passing laws that tell them what they can do with their bodies.
Women should pass the law on abortion.
Guys, would you want a bunch of girls telling you how many testicles you should have?
A woman never feels good about getting an abortion, if they do, they are really sick.
The Spirit does hover outside the woman's body, many claim to know when the Spirit enters their body, it can occur at any time.
2) Born agains have birth defects.
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Dr. Rock
Ice climber
Castle Rock
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Exactly.
So it goes something like this:
A guy and a girl get together.
The girl gets pregnant.
The guy bails.
Then the guy passes a law that says the woman has to have the kid!
I do not think that is fair.
We had one Woman on the Supreme Court at most.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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"Then the guy passes a law that says the woman has to have the kid!"
There are probably as many women who want to outlaw abortion as men. Maybe more.
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Dr. Rock
Ice climber
Castle Rock
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We get drafted, yes, but who started the war?
Men.
Who flew into the WTC?
Men.
Actually, now that I think about it, Babs Bush was probably the reason for the war if nothing else than having W.
Now there's a good excuse for abortion, George Walker Bush!
Men f*#ked up this planet with the big cars, the wars, the genocide, I mean the Queen of England could get mean sometimes, but if you think about it, women should run the earth, they are more green, more peaceful, then we men wouldn't have to go off to the next Viet Nam, we could just climb.
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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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Sep 10, 2008 - 10:52am PT
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Werner,
You amaze me.
"The soul is sent to the womb of the prospective mother thru the male sperm. Contraceptives create an uncomfortable environment for that soul and thus will be forced to leave. "
I want to see you brought up on MURDER charges.
Cause every time you beat-off you are killing thousands-upon-thousands of souls.
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Dick_Lugar
Trad climber
Indiana (the other Mideast)
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Sep 10, 2008 - 11:20am PT
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I'd be interested to see how women would vote on the issue if it was just them. Anybody have any stats of how women would vote on the abortion issue?
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Sep 10, 2008 - 11:24am PT
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i dems keep up this approach, their world will end when palin is elected in a landslide
here's some sanity from an obama supporter and outspoken feminist:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2008/09/10/palin/print.html
now, about abortion...
the issue for pro-lifers (like me) transcends civil rights and rests on the intrinsic value of life...every human life is sacred and none moreso than the life of a child--in or out of the womb...this appears to be palin's belief, which she extends to babies of incest and rape--after all, the babies didn't rape anyone (by the way, does anyone know somebody who was born from a rape? yes, jack nicholson...yeah, that jack nicholson)...although i am ambivalent (strong feelings both ways) about abortion for rape and incest, i respect palin's beliefs...i certainly see a debate, but to attack her beliefs is simply wrong
i'll tell you who should be the focus of your scorn: biden...the dem vp candidate said on sunday that he believes "life begins at conception"...don't you want to know how he reconciles his beliefs with his voting record?
finally, roe should be overturned and the issue of abortion should be turned over to the states where it belongs...i predict south dakota will ban abortion outright...all other states will allow it with most instituting some restrictions, especially on late term abortions
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Dick_Lugar
Trad climber
Indiana (the other Mideast)
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Sep 10, 2008 - 11:33am PT
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Bookworm..finish the rest of the story re: Biden. He completed that statement by saying that he didn't believe it was his place to force his "religious" views via the government unto others and that ultimately it's the women's choice. Thank God we have someone with some common sense running for VP.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Sep 10, 2008 - 12:09pm PT
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"he didn't believe it was his place to force his "religious" views via the government unto others and that ultimately it's the women's choice"
then he has a choice to abstain, which allows him to uphold his religious views without "forcing" them on anyone...every person i know who supports abortion rights claims they are "not sure" when life begins, which allows them to "cling" to the belief that abortion does not involve the taking of a human life...ok, i see their point...if it really is just a "clump of cells", then who cares?
but biden believes life begins at conception but is still willing to vote for abortion rights...so, he votes for legislation that he KNOWS will end an innocent human life...is there ANY justification for this beyond political expediency? if so, i'd like to hear it
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