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klinefelter
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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Fatty, google "Palestinian infiltration problem" an explain this to us. Also try "ethnic cleansing" while your at it.
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dirtbag
climber
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The jig is up for the Bomb Iran crowd--thank God!
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to the rest of the free world for the illegal and immoral actions these people that are running my country have engaged in, and will very probably repeat in the near future.
Their actions are disgusting to many, including myself. History will show the truth of their motivations, of this there can be no doubt, especially as we see more and more facts that do not support the lies they parrot over and over, unceasingly.
It is a shame so many will have to die to satisfy their rampant greed.
And Fattrad - I do take it your daughter is enlisting when she turns 18, right ?
Cowards and Thieves. Thieves and cowards. One hopes that men and women of integrity will stand up and speak the truth when the time comes to commit another crime such as the illegal invasion of Iraq, and perhaps that is what we are seeing here now with this release.
Thomas J Brennan Jr
Salt Lake City, Utah
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ahad aham
Trad climber
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Fattrad,
I do not agree that a few palestinians were wronged.
I also asked you about the Absantee Property Laws. Basically these retroactive laws declaring that if you were a Palestinian (or anyone else) and left your home for 24 hours between November 29, 1947 and September 1, 1948 your property was turned over to the Custodian of Absantee Property and the State of Israel. Even if you left just to go visit your relative in the next village who perhaps was ill. It is estimated that this theft amounted to many dunams of palestinian owned land,up to 70% of historic palestine. Additionaly, the custodian didn't even need to furnish proof.
"The Custodian of Absentee Property does not choose to discuss politics. But when asked how much of the land of the state of Israel might potentially have two claimants - an Arab and a Jew holding respectively a British Mandate and an Israeli deed to the same property - Mr. Manor [the Custodian in 1980] believes that 'about 70 percent' might fall into that category"
There were other useful laws for stealing land such as the Emergency Articles for the Exploitation of Uncultivated Areas. It's all pretty amazing really, when you get into looking at these laws and the twisted logic. Yes it amounts to ethnic cleansing. How can anyone in the US, with logical and moral beliefs, support this is beyond me.
and for those "absent presents" who were able to stay minus their property:
As a result, two million dunams were confiscated and given to the custodian, who later transferred the land to the development authority. This law created the novel citizenship category of "present absentees" (nifkadim nohahim), that is, Israeli Arabs who enjoyed all civil rights-including the right to vote in the Knesset elections-except one: the right to use and dispose of their property". About 30,000-35,000 Palestinians became "present absentees" - persons present at the time but considered absent[15].
According to Flapan[16], "a detailed account of exactly how "abandoned" Arab property assisted in the absorption of the new immigrants was prepared by Joseph Schechtman:
It is difficult to overestimate the tremendous role this lot of abandoned Arab property has played in the settlement of hundreds of thousands of Jewish immigrants who have reached Israel since the proclamation of the state in May 1948. Forty-seven new rural settlements established on the sites of abandoned Arab villages had by October 1949 already absorbed 25,255 new immigrants. By the spring of 1950 over 1 million dunams had been leased by the custodian to Jewish settlements and individual farmers for the raising of grain crops.
Large tracts of land belonging to Arab absentees have also been leased to Jewish settlers, old and new, for the raising of vegetables. In the south alone, 15,000 dunams of vineyards and fruit trees have been leased to cooperative settlements; a similar area has been rented by the Yemenites Association, the Farmers Association, and the Soldiers Settlement and Rehabilitation Board. This has saved the Jewish Agency and the government millions of dollars. While the average cost of establishing an immigrant family in a new settlement was from $7,500 to $9,000, the cost in abandoned Arab villages did not exceed $1,500 ($750 for building repairs and $750 for livestock and equipment).
Abandoned Arab dwellings in towns have also not remained empty. By the end of July 1948, 170,000 people, notably new immigrants and ex-soldiers, in addition to about 40,000 former tenants, both Jewish and Arab, had been housed in premises under the custodian's control; and 7,000 shops, workshops and stores were sublet to new arrivals. The existence of these Arab housesvacant and ready for occupation-has, to a large extent, solved the greatest immediate problem which faced the Israeli authorities in the absorption of immigrants. It also considerably relieved the financial burden of absorption[17].
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Binks
Social climber
i am of the universe and you know what it's worth.
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The jig is up for Fattfraud as well. It's clear the neocons dream of a never ending "crusade" payed for by tax payer dollars is based entirely on lies.
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Greg Barnes
climber
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Guess in a few years we'll have to start selling aircraft carrier groups to the Chinese, as long as they pay in Euros.
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Binks
Social climber
i am of the universe and you know what it's worth.
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Bush and Cheney should have been removed from office when it became known the extent of their deception over Iraq. The fact they remain in power and that people like Fattfraud still have a serious audience for their twisted ideology bespeaks the fact that the system is still broken.
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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I do find the possibility of some sort of 'Event' in this country or elsewhere in the near future to be somewhat increased by this latest information.
I can only hope the people will see through it, should something happen.
Remember - Osama B himself denied any credit for 9 11 - kinda weird, don'tcha think ?
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/04/bush.iran/index.html
Regarding the new intel estimate
"....Bush told reporters during a White House news conference that he was not told the details of the new assessment until last week and he said the new report, which found that Iran had halted its nuclear weapons work in 2003, will not change U.S. policy toward Iran.
"Iran was dangerous, Iran is dangerous and Iran will be dangerous if they have the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon," Bush said, pointing out that Tehran continues to try to enrich uranium for civilian purposes and therefore develop technology that could be used for a weapon.
"They had the program. They halted the program. It's a warning signal because they could restart it," he said. Watch President Bush call Iran 'dangerous' »
Bush told reporters that he was told of "new information" about Iran in August during a briefing by Adm. Mike McConnell, the director of national intelligence.
"He didn't tell me what the information was. He did tell me it was going to take a while to analyze," the president said. He said he wasn't briefed about the new information until the new intelligence report was prepared last week.
The Democratic presidential candidates were incredulous that Bush did not know about the assessment's new finding.
Biden, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, called that explanation "unbelievable."
"Are you telling me a president that's briefed every single morning, who's fixated on Iran, is not told back in August that the tentative conclusion of 16 intelligence agencies in the U.S. government said they had abandoned their effort for a nuclear weapon in '03?" Biden asked in a conference call with reporters.
"I refuse to believe that," he added. "If that's true, he has the most incompetent staff in modern American history, and he's one of the most incompetent presidents in modern American history..."
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