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the kid
Trad climber
fayetteville, wv
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Nov 20, 2007 - 11:29am PT
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wow there is a lot of anger here..
why can't we all just get along? Dog owners need to be responsible
but climbers need to do the same..
yelling when they blow the red point is no better than a dog barking..
taking a sh#t in the back country or crag no better than your dog doing the same..
pissing at the crag- you get my point...
maybe we should all be on leashes and never leave the trails and then we can just look out the window at the crags...
i have two dogs, and do my best to respect others when we are at the crag...i pick up their poo and make sure they stay on the leash when others are around.
Now the point here is we all need to share the crag. if Jtree does not allow dogs out, then i leave them in the car. if a place allows dogs i will bring mine and do my best to maintain low profile..
but when i hear talk about violence and anger when a dog is around then that must be code for "you have issues dude, chill out!"
if a dog ruins your day climbing then you need to not take climbing or your self so seriously....
Funny how our national parks allow/encourage 100' motor homes, commercialize every aspect of nature, pave our parks into oblivion and then worry about some dogs off trail...
jtree, yosemite are not very pure any more and we all make impacts. when was the last time you picked up your poo or piss @ the crag?
ks
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kev
climber
CA
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Nov 20, 2007 - 12:07pm PT
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So what if I get a gri-gri and teach my dog to belay. Then it wouldn't really be unattended (in the spirit of the law) would it? Certainly no one would screw with a belayer would they?
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beebuh
Big Wall climber
boulder
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Nov 20, 2007 - 12:39pm PT
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the kid said: " when was the last time you picked up your poo or piss @ the crag?"
pee: well, we all are guilty of peeing there.
poo: Wag bags are my/ your friend!
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Hard Rock
Trad climber
Montana
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Nov 20, 2007 - 03:09pm PT
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Enough of the anti dog stuff.
You think there is no cost.
There now is.
My dogs have found a lost hiker calling out for help in the Humbugs. My dogs have worn in the good biking and climbing trails people follow. My dogs have carried the ropes, gear, bolts, and water used to put up the new routes (especially after my partner broke a knee resulting in 5 operations).
Therefore, if you are going to do one of my routes or DB's in the Butte, Montana area - you have to have a dog along with you(see R Robbin's first ascent principle).
-KK
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Quaken
Trad climber
Las Vegas
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Nov 20, 2007 - 04:48pm PT
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If dogs are that much of a problem, wait till you see my kids out there. They will get in your way, get in your lunch, whine and fight and raise all kinds of hell.
Should we have climbing areas where kids are off limits?
What's it going to take to help you keep your consentration, your mojo flowing.
Should we stop the wind, maybe the direct sun on your route?
How about everybody just whisper while you are on the lead like in golf
Buck Up
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Nov 20, 2007 - 06:33pm PT
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" So what if I get a gri-gri and teach my dog to belay. Then it wouldn't really be unattended (in the spirit of the law) would it? Certainly no one would screw with a belayer would they?"
All I can say is, you don't eat a dog like that all at once!
Eat a dog at the crag, save a sheep!
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beebuh
Big Wall climber
boulder
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Nov 20, 2007 - 07:11pm PT
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Quaken, i am surprised at the pride you exude regarding your bad parenting.
I bet you own/love dogs too. All the same, really.
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Watusi
Social climber
Newport, OR
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Nov 20, 2007 - 07:19pm PT
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You really think that this god awful influx of climbers haven't affected the Bighorn? Get real.
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Tahoe climber
Trad climber
a dark-green forester out west
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Nov 20, 2007 - 07:35pm PT
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Why is everyone tripping?
Just follow the rules.
To do otherwise endangers our access.
I love dogs, but they can hang out at home when I visit areas where they're not allowed.
And, I'm cool with going to crags where dogs are allowed and taking them.
I've been growled at. I've had my pack pissed on by a dog. Both suck, but let's face it people, it wasn't the end of the world.
Behave responsibly by following the rules. React responsibly when someone else doesn't quite live up to the standard you've set. Respect the crag.
-Aaron
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Nov 20, 2007 - 07:40pm PT
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I was at Stoney a while back on a Tue when the typical nancy sand baggers were doing their tricks. One of them had a pit bull and I went up to him and asked if he minded if I randomly killed his dog.
He had no sense of humor, but one has to think of the children these dogs kill.
If I find your pitbull at a crag I will also take it to the nearst pound. You think I AM KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Juan
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cleo
Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
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Nov 20, 2007 - 07:57pm PT
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ho boy, now locker is gonna start defending pitbulls...
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Nov 20, 2007 - 08:00pm PT
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Hard Rock, you know that your dogs are always welcome on any of our adventures--the kids like having them around.
RIP: Biner and Riley--the infamous dogs in the old Butte guide by Dwight.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 20, 2007 - 08:03pm PT
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Watusi: You really think that this god awful influx of climbers haven't affected the Bighorn? Get real.
Sure hope not. The San Gabriel herd doesn't seem bothered by people. Maybe the desert herds react differently.
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bler
Boulder climber
Alamo, CA
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Nov 20, 2007 - 08:13pm PT
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WOW, you missed the biggest nuicance of them all,
PEOPLE should not be allowed at crags !!! they are the biggest nuisance of them all;
shitting all over the place, leaving garbage, destroying the rock, ruining access for others!!!
mother f'ers should all rot in hell, if I see one of them wandering around lost, i'm going to beat their ass into the ground and have them for lunch!! and send their remains to the pound
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 20, 2007 - 08:18pm PT
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Are you kidding?
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Quaken
Trad climber
Las Vegas
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Nov 20, 2007 - 08:36pm PT
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Bzlabub,
It's not pride I'm putting out, it's honesty. It's part of my 'Honesty/Accountability/Transparency' quest to real Integrity. Sometimes the kids go Apeshi^ like when the phone rings or I'm 20' off the ground.
Parenting is a skill hard to master two weekends a month.
My dog (you were right) barks at the base and I don't take her where other people are going to be. She is much better trained than the kids. She will jump into freezing water to get a downed duck too!
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beebuh
Big Wall climber
boulder
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Nov 21, 2007 - 12:02am PT
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quaken,
"Parenting is a skill hard to master two weekends a month. "
excuses are like a**holes......
btw. its Beelzebub you were trying to spell
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beebuh
Big Wall climber
boulder
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Nov 21, 2007 - 12:49am PT
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"I have an issue with hiking trails and campsites that don't allow dogs. "
why?
i have an issue with not being able to smoke in restaurants (pack a day since i was 12), but i do not light up.
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beebuh
Big Wall climber
boulder
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Nov 21, 2007 - 01:10am PT
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leb/ dmt
"Dogs do not have to be a nuisance. If they are on a leash and don't bark they do not violate anyone's rights "
you are wrong. the presence of dogs is a visual and psychological nuisance and violates my right as a human to enjoy areas in which dogs are prohibited. they detract from our national parks and natures beauty. much in the same way as you would not like to see dirt bike races in HVCG or a NASCAR rally in yos valley.
btw: you will have to pry my cigs from my cold dead hands.
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beebuh
Big Wall climber
boulder
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Nov 21, 2007 - 01:23am PT
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humans are not dogs. so.....
i am 67. thats 55 years or 1 pack a day. (double nickels, dontcha know).
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