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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Mr Crowley writes:
"Can you post the real numbers re: Gore excesses and compare those obcene figures with those of the Cheney's, Murdoch's, Bolton's and Frist's?"
Sure. As soon as those Jokers win an Oscar for a preachy movie scolding us (but excepting himself) to use less energy in our homes.
Compared to the avaerge Californian (who uses 6818 KwHrs/yr), Al Gore is a hog. Gore's LOW MONTH far exceeds the AVERAGE Californian's YEARLY electricity usage. Check the link:
http://www.energy.ca.gov/electricity/us_percapita_electricity_2001.html
And THIS link:
http://www.tennesseepolicy.org/main/article.php?article_id=367
"In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh" (!!!!)
That's more electricity than the AVERAGE Californian uses in 32 YEARS!!!
What a Pig!
EDIT:
Karl,
It gets a Hell of a lot hotter here in Redlands than it ever does in Tennessee (110*+ is common in summer) and I don't have an air conditioner. If I can do without, you would think someone who fancies himself a *Leader*, like Algore, could manage do do without too.
Unless, of course, the whole *climate change crisis* isn't really a problem we can do anything about.
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jstan
climber
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Until recently people pretty comfortably attacked the idea that there is human activity caused global warming. Now it may be less comfortable so we are seeing more attacks on the messenger. The latin for this technique is “Ad Hominem”. Very old technique.
The messenger is irrelevant. If we want to control our destinies we each need to look at the data, draw our own conclusions and decide what each of us needs to do. Government can’t solve this, just as it cannot solve most of the other problems we face. Only we can do it. Bought my first tank of gasoline in three months yesterday. We dry laundry using direct solar power and fortunately don’t have to heat/cool the house at all. Our gasoline consumption is down 75%. I should look into putting a preservative into the tank with the gas. Hate to have it spoil on me.
Just taking the sharp end of the rope is so much more satisfying than arguing about whose pitch it is.
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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that is quite the energy bill.
maybe he has a grow room.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Whatever the flaws of Al Gore, this attack-the-messenger effort is fallback position #3 for the folks who can't accept the idea of anthropogenic global change.
Position #1 was the climate's not warming; this was argued on this forum as recently as last week, and it's been the heart of right-wing denials. That position has been crumbling pretty fast under the weight of evidence, so we've seen -- dramatically over the past few weeks -- a fallback to
Position #2, it's warming but for purely natural reasons. You can drag in all sorts of pseudoscience to confuse people here, but after the IPCC report this line seems to be weakening too, leading us to
Position #3, hahahha let's make fun of Al Gore. No need to do anything else!
Meanwhile, we keep on changing the planet's atmosphere, oceans and biosphere at an unprecedented, unsustainable rate. It's sad that even some climbers, of all people, will not see that.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Nice Post Jstan
It's true, Al Gore could be a flawed fool and it wouldn't change a thing. The place is getting hot or it isn't and the science for human caused global warming is getting stronger every day.
So live with it.
I'm cynical. I don't think the ones who care even less than Gore are going to give up anything significant until it's far too late. (some say that time may even be past) It's human nature.
Unless humans manage a miraculous change, we can say goodbye forever to low lying areas in this country and god help Bangladesh. The Climate of Britain is going to match Siberia.
At least we should be smart about our foolishness and not rebuild New Orleans
peace
Karl
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sketchyy
Trad climber
Vagrant
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Even though I agree with most of Gores message on global warming, he is a hipicrit, and there is no denying it. He tells people to make sacrifices, and the only thing he gives up is inherited money. During the civil war rich southerners would send slaves to fight in there place. If the slave got a medal the owner would often wear it, as a sign of his own bravery. Gore would of fit right in.
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TradIsGood
Happy and Healthy climber
the Gunks end of the country
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The truly inconvenient truth is that the population is growing.
Solve that problem and the inconvenient problem likely is solved with it.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 1, 2007 - 11:28am PT
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BINGO
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TradIsGood
Happy and Healthy climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Actually there is a second inconvenient truth.
At least 1/4 of the existing population is eventually going to want to share our standard of living and they are currently well below that level.
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dirtbag
climber
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What complete horse sh#t by the same old swift boating bunch.
Lying mofos all of them!
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dirtbag
climber
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"Compared to the avaerge Californian (who uses 6818 KwHrs/yr), Al Gore is a hog. Gore's LOW MONTH far exceeds the AVERAGE Californian's YEARLY electricity usage. Check the link: "
Gee Chaz...do you think that a former Vice President is really an average Californian?
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Many of us (especially those who have been or are practicing dirtbags) would be more accepting of Gore’s message if he lost a few pounds and appeared in sackcloth. He’s obviously from money and still has quite a bit. On the other hand, though, look at what happened to folks like dAvid Brower or Jimmy carter when they suggested we should use less energy and water – that was viewed as kooky and un-American. The Great Koonyard himself has come under fire for not staying true to his dirtbag roots.
We have a big “greenwash” problem right now. A good, valuable idea (that we can/should use less) has been rolled into the consumer culture. There is a prevailing idea that we can consume our way out of the energy crisis, the water crisis, the global warming crisis. Remember the California energy crunch of 2000/2001? People drove their Beemers down out of the Berkeley hills to Real Goods and asked the clerks how many solar panels they would need to power their mansions. True story.
You see more evidence of this all around. At the local ski area, the high speed quad is adorned with a sign that claims the lift is powered with wind energy. Is there a set of windmills up on the ridge? No. Is the company that owns the area a greedy, land-0grabbing conglomerate that is using “green” ski lifts as a front? Yes. Can we all think of many examples of this in our everyday lives? Of course.
But… we need to at least do something in the here and now, even if it isn’t perfect and doesn’t necessarily always pass the laugh test. Buying carbon credits or clean energy credits seems contrived and a bit hard to believe. But it’s what big companies are doing and it does seem to have some basis in science. Overall smokestack emissions of CO2 can be measured. If you install better technology, you produce less CO2 and other troublesome compounds. If you plant trees, they fix more carbon. Only a sliver of the population/business community will do these things on their own, so subsidizing them by penalizing dirtier operations will encourage more investment in cleaner technology.
Getting the message from someone other than Gore might convince more folks who need convincing. Those who have been paying attention probably don’t need any more convincing. (Even though we could all use some help with our denial of the problem.) Unfortunately, we can’t all be dirtbags (ah, the simplicity of that life) so if we want to do more than complain, we should at least look at the options out there.
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dirtbag
climber
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Here are a few more interesting facts:
"Kreider said the 60- to 70-year-old [Gore] house is undergoing renovations to add solar panels to reduce consumption off the power grid, and energy-efficient windows have been installed. The home also uses "compact" fluorescent light bulbs and other energy-saving technology, the Gores drive hybrids and participate in two programs that indirectly reduce carbon emissions."
And where did I get this tidbit of info?
From a flaming liberal website, of course.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,254908,00.html
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hobo
climber
PDX
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Gore's "graph" in an inconvenient truth dated back 2000 years. 2000 years!?!?! Come on, thats a tiny fraction of the life of the earth.
Nonetheless a good movie for many to see.
Alex
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dirtbag
climber
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"The problem is less the hypocracy of Al Gore - he really does not matter except that he is a laughable target of criticism. It is more an issue that there is a problem with the message if even HE can't comply with it. Perhaps we ought be looking at why his proposed solutions don't work. "
What's laughable?
And why don't his solutions work?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Fatty, that was funny! Subtle and funny.
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jstan
climber
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Until recently people pretty comfortably attacked the idea that there is human activity caused global warming. Now it may be less comfortable so we are seeing more attacks on the messenger. The latin for this technique is "Ad Hominem". A very old technique.
The messenger is irrelevant. Government can’t solve this problem, just as it cannot solve most of the other problems we face. Only we can do it. Whether other people can or cannot reduce their consumption has no bearing on what we should do. What we do should depend solely upon our own reading of the data.
Bought my first tank of gasoline in two months yesterday. We dry laundry using direct solar power and fortunately don’t have to heat/cool the house at all. Our gasoline consumption is down 75%. I should look into putting a preservative into the tank with the gas. Hate to have it spoil on me.
Taking the sharp end of the rope is so much more satisfying than arguing about whose pitch it is.
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dirtbag
climber
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LEB,
Did you read my post about what he is doing to his house?
Part of what he is calling for are new technologies and standards. How is this not attainable?
"Gore has "jumped the shark" on this one...."
Wrong Russ. Gore has been well ahead of the curve on this one.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Geez Lois
The guy is installing improvements, paying for programs that remediate his impact, campaigns for progress on the environment even though he needs no fame or money, and he still sucks? Not to mention their home is also their office.
I don't know about his flying habits but it wouldn't surprise me that former presidents and vice-presidents don't jump into economy class. They have serious and valid security issues.
And until we come around as a nation, there is only so much to do, cause we have little control over where our power comes from. During the winter it costs me $250 per month to keep my place between 50 and 60 degrees (sometimes lower) and it's probably 800 square feet. Getting up to $1200 isn't so hard to imagine if you have a huge place. (which the Gores have reasons to have since they host a lot of folks in the course of their work)
Could he do better? We all could. You want to discount his message and call it quits. Fine, I think we're going down anyway, humans won't change until millions are dead. I don't have kids. Do you?
Cause the kids are the ones who are going to eat crap over the actions of previous generation and their kids are going to be living a nightmare. Any honest calculation of where we're going, barring a miracle like Jesus or Aliens saving us, adds up to an ugly crash.
peace
Karl
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