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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 1, 2007 - 12:15am PT
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Al Gore spent $1200/ month on the electric bill for his mansion last year. lol
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Yep, $30,000 for one year - on just one of his four (count 'em) mansions
(that's 20 times the national average, for those who care about facts and figures).
Is this yet another case of a Limousine Liberal™ saying "do as I say, knott as I do"?
Please advise.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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"Is this yet another case of a Limousine Liberal™ saying "do as I say, knott as I do"?"
Ding Ding Ding!!!
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Mimi
climber
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Or dong, dong, dong.
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Loom
climber
The Whiteboard Jungle
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That may be your simplistic truth.
Like most Americans he is definitely over-consuming, and like most rich Americans he out-consumes the average American, but conservatives should actually applaud the way he manages to be "carbon neutral": he purchases "carbon credits" which is a market based approach to offset the externalities of his rich American lifestyle.
That people are talking about this so much is a sign that the cynical smear campaigns of reactionary bloggers actually do work by inciting the simplistic, knee-jerk reactions they want: "he's just a f*#king hypocrite, so we can just disregard all his arguments and all the good he's done."
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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I don't know about disregarding his message, I just think it's really funny.
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=nation_world&id=5072659
Now be honest: how nonsensical is this?:
Scoffed a former Gore adviser in response: "I think what you're seeing here is the last gasp of the global warming skeptics. They've completely lost the debate on the issue so now they're just attacking their most effective opponent."
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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"he purchases "carbon credits" which is a market based approach to offset the externalities of his rich American lifestyle. "
That is friggin' hilarious!
Meanwhile, he preaches to us peasants about changing out light bulbs etc.
That my friends is the very definition of a hypocrite.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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Biggest carbon footprint of any liberal hasbeen..... Hannity is ripping him a new one.... Rush gets him here: Poor AC.... your lover is a Hippo!
RUSH: America's Truth Detector. Doctor of Democracy. America's Anchorman. I want to read to you a story from the 2001 Chicago Tribune. I don't know the specific date, but it was 2001. It's a piece by Rob Sullivan.
“The 4,000-square-foot house is a model of environmental rectitude. Geothermal heat pumps located in a central closet circulate water through pipes buried 300 feet deep in the ground where the temperature is a constant 67 degrees; the water heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer. Systems such as the one in this 'eco-friendly' dwelling use about 25% of the electricity that traditional heating and cooling systems utilize. A 25,000-gallon underground cistern collects rainwater gathered from roof runs; wastewater from sinks, toilets and showers goes into underground purifying tanks and is also funneled into the cistern. The water from the cistern is used to irrigate the landscaping surrounding the four-bedroom home. Plants and flowers native to the high prairie area blend the structure into the surrounding ecosystem. No, this is not the home of some eccentrically wealthy eco-freak trying to shame his fellow citizens into following the pristineness of his self-righteous example. And no, it is not the wilderness retreat of the Sierra Club or the Natural Resources Defense Council, a haven where tree-huggers plot political strategy. This is President George W. Bush's 'Texas White House' outside the small town of Crawford.” It uses about 25% of the electricity that traditional heating and cooling systems utilize.
Now, compare Gore's mansion and Bush's modest 4,000 square foot little house on a ranch in Crawford. Who is it that is actually walking the walk here when it comes to conserving energy? It is not Algore, ladies and gentlemen, and it isn't going to be Algore -- and, by the way, the fact that President Bush's home was ecologically friendly was not unknown to the media. This was the Chicago Tribune in 2001. They just chose to ignore it while they heaped praise on Algore -- and, by the way, Bush built this house with this system long before any of the current hysteria began on any of this. In due course we are going to find that George W. Bush has much more authenticity and realism than Algore or Bill or Hillary down the line when history is written. Barely have we scratched, however, the entire Global Warming Stack.
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Mimi
climber
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I can't believe he played the pollution credit trading and negative carbon cards. Emission credit trading is highly criticized as a pollution shell game by many enviroactivists.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Yes Lois, thank God for energy credits!
That's what his movie should have been about!
Spread the word everyone...if we all just buy enough energy credits,
we can put a stop to global warming!!
Thank you Al Gore! (oh, and thanks for the internet too)
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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If we put mylar disks in orbit we could have total solar eclipses everyday everywhere on earth and cut the solar energy flux 15 percent. I keep writing to NASA but I am sure they just plan to steal my idea later.
JDF
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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This just in: Algore has gone "solar" at his fatcat lib house.....
oh wait... that was only a string of malibu lights leading out to the Tobacco fields where he reaps profits on lung cancer devotees.
The AC edit: Gore and AC sittin in a tree......
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paganmonkeyboy
Trad climber
the blighted lands of hatu
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"I can't believe he played the pollution credit trading and negative carbon cards. Emission credit trading is highly criticized as a pollution shell game by many enviroactivists."
yeah - he loses a lot of credibility with that one...almost all, in fact...
OT slightly - if we can't agree on global warming, can we at least agree on pollution as an issue we might want to address ? mercury in the fish, plastic in the food chain, etc...one good volcano erupting will change things more than we ever will, but we are sorta peeing in our food dish here...
(russ, where did you get that footage from my divorce ?)
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Loom writes:
"...but conservatives should actually applaud the way he manages to be "carbon neutral": he purchases "carbon credits" which is a market based approach to offset the externalities of his rich American lifestyle."
Let's see if I understand how this works.
If I dump a truck-load of garbage in El Cap Meadow, it's OK so long as I pay some tweekers to pick up a truck-load of trash in Joshua Tree?
"Hey look at me [jumping up and down like Algore] I'm *litter nuetral*"
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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The "truth" is, it's more "convenient" to just buy carbon credits
rather than actually conserve energy.
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ADK
climber
truckee
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Some people thrive on change; some people are scared of it. We shouldnt let it obstruct the importance of his message though.
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Mimi
climber
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Don't worry, we won't.
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Mimi
climber
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I also fight solo.
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ADK
climber
truckee
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What should the average american's response be to climate change? Is climate change real or not? Should we respond to it?
Is Gore a hypocrit? Is Gore a liar?
Which set of questions do you like to pose? Why? What's the debate?
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Meanwhile the liberal spin doctors are hard at work,
trying to come up with something....anything!
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