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dirtbag
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Feb 14, 2007 - 06:20pm PT
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I agree Lois.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Feb 14, 2007 - 06:29pm PT
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" Many here claim that they "knew" Bush would be a disaster. "
-It was the majority opinion at the time. Why do you thing the majority of the electorate DID NOT vote for Bush. Not even talking about the crooked election, even without that mess, Gore/Nader flattened the shrub.
Not knowing that at the time = not paying attention and following party line. "Clinton got a bj in the OO, vote for a stand up guy."
It's amazing how little it takes.
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L
climber
The City of Lost Angels
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Feb 14, 2007 - 06:31pm PT
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Good Annotated Rant above, AC.
"His brain has an event horizon..." Too funny.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Feb 14, 2007 - 06:37pm PT
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From its title on, this thread reeks of rationalization -- folks who voted for the most disastrously bad president in US history, but need reasons why what's happened is not their fault. Damn those Democrats!
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L
climber
The City of Lost Angels
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Feb 14, 2007 - 07:55pm PT
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That's what I like about you, AC--you ain't afraid a no stick in the eye. I was thinking about copying that thing and pasting it here, but it's sure to cause at least one death and possibly more...
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Feb 14, 2007 - 08:11pm PT
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The actual facts matter little. In these kinds of partisan battles, perception becomes simply a function of what one already preconceives.
Many, many people saw W more accurately than you did. A great deal was written, at the time, about his lack of knowledge regarding other countries, inability to speak in complete sentences, record of failures in business, and in general, potentially dangerous mix of arrogance with ignorance. OK, you were not among the many who noticed these things -- but you're spinning too hard here to avoid crediting those who did, because their "perception" would reflect badly on yours.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Feb 14, 2007 - 08:26pm PT
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What I am not fine with is persons (after the fact) taking credit for having "expert perceptions" when their vote was simply reflective of little more than partisanship.
Such people no doubt exist. You're focusing on them to deflect (your own?) criticism of your judgment, however.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Feb 14, 2007 - 08:34pm PT
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Read your own posts. You're criticizing others, by "name".
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L
climber
The City of Lost Angels
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Feb 14, 2007 - 09:18pm PT
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LEB--I'm new to this forum and I was just wondering something: Do you always talk/write in this manner?
PLEASE don't get me wrong--I think you have some interesting points and appear to think deeply about things. But the way you write obfuscates your meaning.
For instance, I'm looking at your post "Well, actually you are quite insightful but not quite on target enough. You are on the right track, but you fell slightly short of the mark. You need to take it one step further. In fact, I am one of those people who vote in a partisan way. I am questioning whether this is a valid approach to voting and citizenship. Close but no cigar (you get some cigerettes, however).
There are four (4) sentences in that six-sentence post that say the same thing. I've noticed this in many of your other posts...saying the same thing several times in sequence. Now, this works in many settings--novel writing, for instance. But it seems to me that we've got the MTV crowd here. You know, brief, quick-n-dirty, big thoughts in few words. Crowley just puts links and leave it there, as do many others.
Again, I'm not trying to offend--I've been trying to read your posts as I think you bring an interesting perspective to the mix...but I'm getting so bogged down in the loquaciousness that I can't figure out what you're really trying to say.
Again, not meaning any harm, but maybe the Reader's Digest Condensed version would help get your point across.
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L
climber
The City of Lost Angels
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Feb 14, 2007 - 09:32pm PT
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LEB--I like your sense of humor! And I was serious about your posts having good perspective.
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L
climber
The City of Lost Angels
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Feb 14, 2007 - 09:40pm PT
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Who's Gary? Is that his posting name? Haven't seen anything from him yet.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Feb 14, 2007 - 11:15pm PT
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I keep reading that Bush is the most disastrous president in Us history. I must diagree. Bush is incompetent in numerous ways, but Buchanan, Kennedy and Carter will be deemed worse. Of course, Bush has more time to make number one on the list. And let me state, I voted for Kennedy and Carter. I don't remember if I voted for Buchanan, but it's always a possibility. My record in voting for presidents hasn't been too good.
Vietnam is the most disastrous war the US has fought, and Peanut not firmly confronting Iran has contributed greatly to our situation today.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 15, 2007 - 01:45am PT
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It's true Crowley ....
Locker is exercising his God given right to vote in the form of dissent. (No Vote)
Real Freedom means standing up to what one believes.
Only the Ultimate will be the final judge of that.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 15, 2007 - 01:55am PT
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Yes that is true, Crowley, because they have some material desire for their own personal enjoyment.
Caught in the mighty snare of duality the materialistic voter will never escape it's jaws of the false governments.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 15, 2007 - 01:58am PT
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Not true locker you are bound.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 15, 2007 - 02:04am PT
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Heh, how wrong you are!
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 15, 2007 - 02:09am PT
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Not disagreement but in understanding.
Try
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 15, 2007 - 02:11am PT
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Therefore everything I have said does not exist?
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Feb 15, 2007 - 02:15am PT
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I wish I hadn't tried to follow all this; now my head hurts.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 15, 2007 - 02:25am PT
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Crowley
From the distance we see the mountain, and the view is limited. As we come closer we understand some more. As we start the climb we gain even more.
It all depends on where we stand that gives us our understanding. Sometimes we fall off the mountain. Sometimes we do not even care for the mountain nor it's summit.
I know your heart is in the right place because you care. It's not an easy thing to understand. It can take lifetimes of repeated birth and death.
It's a very very difficult path.
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