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Don Paul
Mountain climber
Denver CO
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+1 for the grizzly bear habitat, should protect those hanta mice too, lol.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Needs more cowbell
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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hey old men, which way to the gymuseum?
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johnr9q
Sport climber
Sacramento, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 8, 2018 - 06:55pm PT
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Mr_T and quartziteflight said the following:
"So no more people in wheel chairs allowed in Yosemite? Or the elderly?"
"How are you going to teach people to value the forests, water, and wildlife when you want to exclude a majority of them from it?"
I don't understand how removing structures from the valley is going to eliminate people in wheelchairs and the elderly. I would like to make it easier for the disabled and the elderly to enjoy the valley.
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John M
climber
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I guess when I read.. "No private vehicles".. I read "no vehicles". So you want public transportation only?
Parking outside the valley would require very large parking lots. A study was done to try to ban vehicles from the valley. During peak season it was figured that over 450 buses would be required to make it happen. Thats a lot of buses and buses are the noisiest vehicle in the valley besides large trucks and some motorcycles. Yes there are electric buses, but the technology doesn't currently allow them to cross mountain passes. So that would make it difficult for them to enter from either groveland or the Oakhurst entrance.
There are a lot of hurdles to overcome which haven't been overcome yet.
And yes.. I would also love to see the valley with less structures in it. but I have also accepted the reality.
My hope is to see a daily quota of private vehicles, with parking outside the park and electric signs outside each entrance giving indications how close the limit is so that people can decide whether they want to risk trying to enter in their private vehicle. This would require a smaller fleet of public transportation buses and smaller parking lots. Reducing the impact outside the park, yet easing traffic in the valley, while still allowing people to enter in their private vehicles. Everyone who wants to get in still gets in, but if you want your private vehicle in the valley, then you must arrive before it is full.
I don't have that much problem with the hotels or stores. The valley is a small town. I understand that others want them gone. After the flood of 97, I went to the valley hoping to see it in a more natural state. Unrealistically my visions were that the valley was wiped clean. That was of course wrong. hahaha.. I was though surprised at how much I wanted to see that.
Pick your battles. Which element would make the biggest difference? I believe reducing traffic in the valley would make the biggest difference.
The people I have seen who are against a quota seem to believe that that would mean that they wouldn't be able to get in if they arrived late. My plan would allow them to get in, just not with their vehicle. the exception would be those with camping or hotel reservations.
My other battle/hope is to improve the campgrounds. Stuffing hundreds of sites together right on top of each other just to save a few acres just seems silly to me. There is land on glacier point road that would make fine campgrounds. Spread people out a bit more in the campgrounds so each site isn't right on top of the next. Plus add free public transportation throughout the park.
Edit: Have you figured out where these large parking lots would go? There isn't that much land available close to the park. Most of it is mountainous.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Formerly TMJesse
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All roads lead to the Village Store Everyone thinks they'll miss out on the Yosemite epiphany unless they get a parking space within walking distance of the Village Store and get to wade through the tee shirt racks, get a frosty, and crane their neck gazing up at the falls from the mall. What's broken? Everyone is confined to an area the size of a half-dollar on a 30" x 30" map. Wear them out by making them walk all the way to the visitor center where they get to watch a video about the park. Keep them in roped off areas with few benches or places to sit (the Disneyland model). Restrict traffic flow so they're entombed inside their locked cars all day creeping in and out of the beloved village. Finally, line all roads with huge boulders or deep trenches at the fog line so pulling over in more remote areas is impossible.
Great plan. Works great as-is.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Two very fascinating posts there, Ed. Thanks.
I noticed a dramatic resemblance between Catherine Mulholland and Faye Dunaway, too, BTW.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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no, the garbage trucks loading dumpsters are by far and away the loudest vehicles in the Valley...
harshes my wilderness mellow every time...
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Why should natual wild areas be made available for all people? Should suburbs and urban areas be made available for all animals?
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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I wonder how may people complaining about all of the cars has actually taken the bus from Merced to Yosemite?
I thought the petting zoo closed when they took out the Terrace housing.
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Bethesda
Trad climber
Bethesda
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A few years ago my wife wanted to take the walk up to Vernal and Nevada Falls. Since I can't stand hiking in crowds, we compromised and started at 5 a.m. We did not see another single person all the way up to Nevada Falls, plus we got the sunrise.
After we turned back, we started running into people after about ten minutes. After we got down, we went to the Ahwanee and had breakfast in an empty dining room.
I don't know if this still would work but the point is there are workarounds if you think about them.
Also, hiking to Nevada Falls from the Glacier Point road is a nice, and usually empty, hike. Plus, you can scout out routes on Starr King.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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The interesting follow up to MFM's photo of Mulholland at the St. Francis Dam:
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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The best plan will be removing all infrastructure and walk in from Groveland, El Portal, Wawona or seasonally from Lee Vining and Mammoth.
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johnr9q
Sport climber
Sacramento, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2018 - 07:16am PT
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I like the model of Zion National Park. Most of the facilities are outside the valley and people use public transportation to get around. I would remove the lodge also.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Zion is just a petting zoo as well, might was well take the next step and install glass partitions everywhere. You're never really given the right to sort of exist in the space there - to actually be a visitor - herd in, herd out, next please.
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hellroaring
Trad climber
San Francisco
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Heck if we do everything the OP liistef we might as well rip up all the pavement. I'm in for that. Let's have a jackhammer party!! Yos valley as backcountry baby!!!!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Garbage trucks? What garbage truck comes within 20 decibels of those phukking Harleys?
They should be unilaterally banned from all parks.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Yet another fatal fall off the Angel's Landing trail a week ago.
Zion is still a little TOO accessible.
Yosemite?
No private internal combustion vehicles. Electric bikes allowed, and shuttles for handicapped.
And everybody can get tickets to watch Donini wrestle the grizzly bear.
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