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henny
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The Past
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Jan 26, 2018 - 05:22pm PT
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^^^ Not me. What has Trump done? Rose did it. The off field persona? Don't know enough about who Rose was off the field, nor do I care from a baseball perspective.
Just looking at Rose from a stats perspective. Excluding my own bias, conjectures, and past dislikes.
Yes, I get why the betting and subsequent denial/attitude get pulled in as well.
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Jan 26, 2018 - 06:11pm PT
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Pete Rose violated the ultimate professional sports no-no. He bet on his own sport, and although he likely never bet against his own team, if he bet on his own team that is equally corrupting...
If you don't understand why, you don't understand sports gambling...
Because he wouldn't have bet on ALL of his own team's games, only on those games where he liked the "price." (You do know you don't bet on baseball games in terms of straight win-lose, right? You bet on them with a "price", ie with odds like 2-1, except that baseball prices almost never rise that high, but you get the point.)
And that decision would have been observed by his bookies, who would have promptly chosen to bet on those games, too. And would have bet against Charlie Hustle's teams when Rose chose not to bet.
And Charlie would have played a little harder in games where he had money on the line.
The reason Rose accepted the lifetime ban is also obvious—he knew the evidence against him and knew he wouldn't have survived an open-court trial.
(I have some credibility in this regard--some of the proceeds of the numbers racket my dear departed dad ran at his bars are in a very well funded 529 plan that is going to pay for my son's college education.)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 26, 2018 - 06:16pm PT
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if he bet on his own team that is equally corrupting...
Not in my mind. Charlie Hustle couldn’t stand losing. He was such a fierce competitor I could see him betting against his team and then busting his ass to make sure he lost the bet.
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Jan 26, 2018 - 06:18pm PT
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Did you read the rest of the post? That's the important point.
What gamblers want is an edge.
The information of what games Rose chose to bet on—or not bet on—even if he was betting on his own team was exactly the sort of "edge" a professional gambler is looking for.
Super corrupting.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 26, 2018 - 06:20pm PT
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Yes, I guess I’m just not cut out to work for Torquemada.
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Dave Davis
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Jan 29, 2018 - 02:48pm PT
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I remember when Rose first got banned, the joke here was that he was moving to Seattle. Said he wanted to get as far from professional baseball as possible.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jan 31, 2018 - 11:01am PT
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RIP Oscar Gamble.
17 years in the majors, 200 homers, 666 RBIs, turned 10 double plays as an outfielder, not a bad run.
Best hair in baseball.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 4, 2018 - 08:30pm PT
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Big Sexy getting a look-see by the Rangers... possible minor league deal for Bartolo Colon in the works. Dude is immortal!
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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dead arms report in 2 wks! go Twinkies!
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 6, 2018 - 10:43am PT
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The "Todd_Father" Todd Frazier goes from the Yanks to the Mets... 17large for two years.
Cubs still looking at Darvish...
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 10, 2018 - 05:03pm PT
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The Cubs just shot themselves in the foot. $126 million to Darvish? 6 years?
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2018 - 05:29pm PT
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Damn.... not sure about that Darvish to Cubs thing... he sorta makes me nervous
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 10, 2018 - 05:31pm PT
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What were the Cubbies thinking? The guy’s a head case.
Dodgers did one smart thing this yearvat least.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Feb 12, 2018 - 09:02am PT
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The cubs are catering to the growing contingency of iranian bleacher bums...
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2018 - 09:18am PT
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That's a lot of skag, even for a major leaguer... damn...!
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Feb 12, 2018 - 03:43pm PT
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He wasn't throwing those when he played for my A's.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2018 - 09:03am PT
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Dodgers Update:
Matt Kemp for Ryan Braun??? In the works??
hmmmmm.... not sure they need either one of those guys, especially that liar juicer Braun.
Utley gets a new two year deal at the bargain price of 2 million.... damn! That is cheap. Standard market worth of the Silver Fox is at 10-17 mil. He must really like staying in baseball without testing the waters.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 15, 2018 - 09:13am PT
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Braun would probably produce a bit more but the Dodgers need outfielders like they need
another hole in the head. I would think Braun has more trade value but then what do the
Dodgers have to throw in with Kemp to get him? Seems like a lose-lose deal.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2018 - 10:38am PT
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Both are old and have giant salary obligations... lose lose is right
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sween345
climber
back east
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Feb 15, 2018 - 03:40pm PT
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Early reports have Tim Lincecum hitting 92-93 on the speed gun.
If the change in delivery hasn't messed with his changeup he should be on track and expect to be getting an offer. The write up said there was two dozen scouts there, so what else would they be expecting from him?
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