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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Aug 23, 2016 - 08:26am PT
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Jody posted Okay HDDJ, okay...maybe that was over the top. I wasn't specifically calling the college kid that, I was trying to make a point that you obviously didn't get.
No, I get it. Using discretion is important but people breaking the rules in parks are usually breaking them because they want to break them. Just because I want to sleep in Tuolumne Meadows doesn't mean that it's a good idea for the NPS to let people sleep in the Meadows.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Aug 23, 2016 - 08:27am PT
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I want people doing their jobs who can actually think and use deductive reasoning rather than robotically toeing the company line.
Did it ever occur to you that these are seasonal employees who do their job as told.
So if you didn't follow the parameters of policing, you were committing a dereliction of duty. That's kind of taking the law into your own hands.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Aug 23, 2016 - 08:57am PT
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99% of federal wilderness has no Rangers, no permits and generally no other people. Visiting the most heavily used wilderness areas in the country and getting butt hurt over crowds or Ranger interactions is pure pilot error.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Aug 23, 2016 - 09:17am PT
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^^^ zackly
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SusanA
Sport climber
Bay Area
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Aug 23, 2016 - 09:20am PT
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Big difference Susan and Curt, I deserve a lecture if I am caught doing something dumb in the wilderness or if I gave any sort of indication that I was clueless about how to proceed.
Well that's the irony! When you are in uniform you decide who is dumb or clueless, when someone else is in uniform you also decide who is clueless. It seems you are saying only other people can be clueless.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Aug 23, 2016 - 12:06pm PT
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Mr. Braun, why are you so angry all the time?
I don't think Werner will defend himself, or really needs to, but I must take exception to the implied statement. Werner's feigned anger on non-climbing threads is often quite hilarious to those who understand. Ask him a climbing question, and you'll get an accurate, respectful and generous answer. When we attack each other from our high horses, however, a Werner zinger might result.
John
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Aug 23, 2016 - 12:12pm PT
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Werner is a duck smoking polititard troll.
Take him seriously at your own risk.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Aug 23, 2016 - 12:25pm PT
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Jody,
Who, do you suppose, is going to keep the people out of the wilderness? How are you going to have a wilderness experience if I can set up camp at Hamilton Lakes for a month as I did back in the 90's. The Rangers are there to interpret the law and the will of the people. You agree that people might need instruction so where is the disconnect?
Jody:
Aug 23, 2016 - 07:20am PT
Big difference Susan and Curt, I deserve a lecture if I am caught doing something dumb in the wilderness or if I gave any sort of indication that I was clueless about how to proceed.
Hating on Wilderness Rangers seems......something.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Aug 23, 2016 - 03:09pm PT
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No flip flop...I am irritated with rangers that act like I am trespassing and treat backcountry hikers as if they are complete morons.
Well Jody, some backcountry hikers are complete morons. Especially the ones who see a back country trip as something to put on a bucket list. I know someone who was a seasonal backcountry ranger. He told me many times of the kind of questions he received, and one of the things that pissed him off the most were the "backpackers" who would dump their backpacks(and trash)at the trailheads, and drive off.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Aug 23, 2016 - 03:53pm PT
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Yup, I'm young, Jody.
Only 64.
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