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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 13, 2015 - 11:42am PT
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Wow, that's a great organization. Fire the pilot for doing the safe thing.
I hope he sues their pants off, if they even wear pants.
This one is more troubling:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/pilot-low-gas-declares-fuel-emergency-runway-closure/story?id=32739901
There are some underlying issues here for which we don't have all the facts.
1. The FAA closes a commercial airport so the Blue Angels can practice?
2. There had to have been a NOTAM to this effect published at least 8 hours
before the fact so that pilots could plan accordingly. If not then the FAA
is more incompetent than usual. If a NOTAM was in effect then the pilot
was incompetent although most airlines' flight planning departments would
do that research for the pilot and it would be in his briefing. (I realize
it is a stretch to assume Allegiant has a flight planning dept)
However, none of that excuses not ensuring that the plane was loaded with
enough fuel
to get to the destination airport, as well as a pre-designated diversion airport,
plus an additional 45 minutes of flying time
That pilot should be fired. If you read the story note that he tried to
talk the controller into letting him land without declaring an emergency
because doing so automatically sets off all sorts of bureaucratic alarm bells.
Or as the Sheriff would put it
"Boy, you in a heap a trouble and you gots some splainin' to do!"
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Nov 13, 2015 - 05:16pm PT
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Reilly...The Allegiant Pilots MOU requires them to wear pants...How else would they navigate...?
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Bill Mc Kirgan
Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
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Dec 31, 2015 - 08:49pm PT
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Just noticed this in our local news feed...
http://www.kwwl.com/story/30860409/2015/12/31/flight-headed-from-orlando-to-cedar-rapids-diverted
(KWWL) -
UPDATE: Allegiant Air says Flight 760 had problems with its right engine and that's why it had to make an emergency landing in Chattanooga this morning.
The flight left Orlando and was supposed to land in Cedar Rapids around 8 a.m.
Allegiant says the plane landed safely at the Chattanooga Metropolitan Airport after 7 a.m. There were 150 passengers and six crew members on board.
The airline says the plane will now be inspected to determine what went wrong.
Passengers will get on another plane this afternoon to fly to Cedar Rapids.
Wednesday, a separate Allegiant Air flight that left Orlando had to make an emergency landing in Rhode Island.
Allegiant says there's no connection between the two incidents.
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A flight scheduled to land in Cedar Rapids this morning will not make it until this afternoon.
It had to make an emergency landing in Tennessee.
An airport spokesman in Chattanooga says Allegiant Air Flight 760 had engine trouble after leaving Orlando and had to land in Tennessee. There were 153 passengers on the plane and everyone was able to get off safely. No one was hurt.
A different jet will be brought in to pick up the passengers. They're scheduled to land in Cedar Rapids at 1:30 p.m.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 31, 2015 - 09:03pm PT
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A different jet will be brought in to pick up the passengers.
I'd take the bus.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Dec 31, 2015 - 09:12pm PT
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I'd take the bus.
Wuss!
We jumped on an Allegiant flight to Las Vegas at Thanksgiving, and we're still alive.
If we'd taken the bus, we'd still be on the road.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 31, 2015 - 10:54pm PT
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Well, since you were already headed for Vegas you were merely doubling down.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Dec 31, 2015 - 11:09pm PT
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Or as the Sheriff would put it
"Boy, you in a heap a trouble and you gots some splainin' to do!"
Ricki Ricardo was a sherrif?
Who knew?
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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What I recall about the Air France flight is that the pilot didn't know what the co-pilot was doing because the yokes on the Airbus move independently.
In addition, American pilots typically come into commercial aviation with much experience "flying by the seat of their pants".
In most other countries the pilots only experience is flight simulation. I think an American pilot could have prevented the Air France disaster.
Reilly could confirm my recollection.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Larry, the gist of the AF disaster is that nobody knew what they were doing and, most
importantly, they kept doing the opposite of what they should have been doing thereby making
things worse. Go to "Vanity Fair" and look up their article by William Langewiesche. There is
a long history of union supported incompetence in French aviation. They had a mechanical
problem which caused erroneous airspeed indications which they repeatedly tried to correct
via their joysticks. In this country you're taught that if the first thing you try doesn't work
GO BACK to where you were originally and re-assess.
DON'T keep doing the same thing! Apparently it also did not occur to any of the three pilots to
look at the backup attitude indicator to see if it agreed with the primary which would then tell
you that your airspeed readout was suspect.
If you have the time read all his articles on aviation, unless you don't want to fly again.
He is descended from aviation royalty and expresses his erudition eloquently.
AF article:
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/business/2014/10/air-france-flight-447-crash
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 13, 2016 - 11:21pm PT
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The AP said it was an "electrical odor", but usually
where there's odor there's worse.
This can't go on indefinitely, can it?
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perswig
climber
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Feb 14, 2016 - 03:15am PT
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Reilly/others, can you explain this:
the yokes on the Airbus move independently.
The systems are not slaved to each other?
Dale
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Mar 21, 2016 - 11:23am PT
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I am not a pilot, but concerning airbus yokes moving independently:
On the airbus, the sidesticks are not coupled at all. Since it's FBW, the control inputs of both sticks are processed by a computer and an output is given. This means that if one pilot goes full right and the other goes full left, then the instructions are cancelled out and the plane remains wings level. If both pilots move their sidesticks simultaneously, a "Dual Input" warning is given.
https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/2smt90/a_question_to_commercial_pilots/
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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It continues; from the Tampa Bay Times:
Allegiant Air Flight Declares Emergency in Phoenix After Engine Failure
April 29, 2016 11:24am
An Allegiant Air flight landing in Arizona made an emergency landing Thursday after an engine failure.
An internal Allegiant memo obtained by the Tampa Bay Times said the incident occurred on Flight 175 that took off from Tri-Cities Airport in Pasco, Wash., and was landing at Phoenix Mesa Gateway Airport in Arizona at about 4 p.m.
The aircraft was landing when gusty conditions forced the pilots to apply thrust and make a "go-around." That is when the engine either failed due to a mechanical problem. The memo did not say what the plane's altitude was when the decision to abort the landing was made.
"The crew declared an emergency and safely landed on the subsequent approach," said the Allegiant memo to members of the airline's operations and maintenance teams. The aircraft carried 131 passengers and six crew members.
A recording of the pilot's communications with the tower confirm an engine failure on landing.
Allegiant officials did not respond for a request seeking comment Friday.
"No immediate corrective action to policy, procedure or training were found to be needed," the Allegiant memo said. "All crew members performed their duties as trained."
The incident comes as Allegiant is under increased scrutiny by the FAA, which is conducting a detailed, 90-day inspection of the airline. The survey is normally done for all commercial carriers every five years. But the FAA said it moved up Allegiant's inspection by about two years because of several incidents related to safety.
In recent weeks, Allegiant leaders have gone further than they ever have in acknowledging they are taking steps to improve the safety and reliability of their aircraft, which are among the oldest in the U.S. airline industry.
After a series of emergency landings at St. Pete-Clearwater International Airport last year, Allegiant replaced its local management team and vowed to hire five mechanics to handle maintenance issues in the area, the airline's CEO, Maurice Gallagher Jr., said last week to local politicos during an event sponsored by state Sen. Jack Latvala.
Allegiant is one of the nation's fastest-growing airlines and is headquartered in Las Vegas. It carried about 95 percent of the St. Pete-Clearwater airport's record 1.6 million passengers in 2015.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Just read where Allegiant Air has a new theme song...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
"Can't put it off another day..."
That's not what they say at Allegiant Maintenance!
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