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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Yeah, sure, but what you're forgetting is that Allegiant is one of the most profitable airlines in the US. Your death will be accepted by its shareholders as just one more cost of doing business, so don't worry.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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$69 one way from LA to Montrose....way cheaper, AND safer, than a wingsuit.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Didn't Asiana tender an offer for Allegiant? They could consolidate their
state-of-the-art training systems.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Asiana is not a bad airline. The SFO accident, in the grand scheme of airline safety, was not an indication that Asiana sucks. I've flown with them before and will fly with them anytime.
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hotlum
climber
Oregon
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Allegiant is my cheap non stop from Medford to Red Rocks. I've flown them several times. Only one emergency landing so far. Plus it's super retro getting to board those old school DC-9s up the rear stairwell in the back of the fuselage.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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They don't build em like they used to. Don't they mostly fly gamblers back and forth anyway?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Asiana is not a bad airline.
Huh?
You got two crews in the cockpit for the approach and landing and they're all too afraid of
calling out "You're 20 knots* below Vref you phukking clown! Power up!"
Please. That is beyond bush league.
* Actually, didn't he fall 35 kts below before he hauled back on the yoke?
Yeah, like that's gonna fix things. Sorry, clowns belong in the circus.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Yeah, I'll keep using them. Best way to get to Missoula from LA at about 80% below other airlines.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Please. That is beyond bush league.
So tell me about an airline that has never had a f*#kup in the cockpit.
You going to blacklist LH because of that Germanwings lunatic?
What about Air France? The cockpit crew on the flight that went down in the Atlantic did every single thing wrong.
BA? Yeah, sure. Pilot loses an engine on takeoff from LAX enroute to LHR continues, saying, "Ah, what the hell. I've got three more, no big deal."
Every time you get on an airplane, you roll the dice. Sure, some have a better safety culture than others, but pointing at a single incident and saying "I'll never fly with those clowns again" is pretty silly.
I mean, come on. Even Ron Anderson gets something right every ten thousand posts, but that's not going to make you put him up for "Critical Thinker of the Year."
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sorry, Ghost, I just can not fathom how two crews, including a senior check ride captain,can sit there on a CAVU approach FDH* while airspeed bled off at an alarming rate rather than
speak up and cause the PIC to lose face. And then there was that litany of systemic training
abuses, including outright cheating, that the retired US sim trainer delineated ad nauseum
concluding with his assessment that nobody over there could hand fly an airplane if their life
depended on it because they were totally enslaved to the autopilot.
They also violated all three basic aviation tenets in one go:
they ran out of altitude, airspeed, and ideas, although I'm pretty sure
they were out of ideas from the get-go.
*Fat, Dumb, and Happy
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Fly Translove Airways, get you there on time.
"NO survivor, my friend."
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Feckin' doomsayers.
They take all the fun out of "living forever."
One "i" in Allegiant, too.
Go to the back of the plane.
There are the standard six pilots on this flight. Rest easy.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 4, 2015 - 06:25am PT
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3 minutes short of FAA required minimum 45 minutes reserve fuel requirements. Failure to read flight advisories, two executives flying declare emergency at closed airport. One of the pilots was the executive of flight safety for the airline.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/allegiant-air-execs-controls-flight-landed-low-fuel
Yes my thread title is a bit trollish and perhaps Allegiant will not have a crash. However the company has something wrong with it's safety, I suspect it is a culture of doing the minimum legally required in order to reduce operating costs.
Reilly is very correct about the ridiculous errors leading to the crash of Asiana at SFO. A combination of suboptimal cultural factors leading to a bizarre accident preceded by numerous close calls.
Allegiant has mostly different issues but is having a pattern of incidents that lead to a very bad place if not corrected.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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so what you are saying is with my now 4 hours of PPL training - .2 of which are instruments only - I can get a job there as a pilot?
power-off stalls are Riot. I'm sure the passengers would appreciate.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 4, 2015 - 06:41am PT
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Nah I'm saying I hope their flight control maintenance is better than their engine maintenance.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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No arguments from me about the Asiana accident. All I'm saying is that Asiana isn't alone in this.
When it comes to selecting a safe flight, "you pays your nickel, and you takes your chances."
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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I'd have to agree that it's only a matter of time before they have an accident.
The CEO of Allegiant, Maurice Gallagher, is the same guy that ran Valujet when they had the crash in Florida, and he has a history of cutting corners that shouldn't be cut.
We flew Allegiant last week to Bozeman and back. The flight back was fine, but the flight out was another story - they claimed they were "doing paperwork" as a reason for the delay, but for some reason it took the Captain crawling around in the forward baggage compartment and two mechanics to complete the "paperwork". The paperwork had to continue when we got to Bozeman, as there was a mechanic waiting there when we landed. The aircraft was 30+ years old, and to be honest I was pretty nervous and I am going to avoid flying with them again in the future.
They have had multiple run-ins with their pilots and support staff for overworking their pilots and underworking their maintenance.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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If you think Allegiant is bad definitely stay off Aeroflot :-)
Curt
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Yeah, there definitely are some cultural/training problems with some Asian airlines. Having said that, there is also generally a real lack of actual hand flying skills; pilots with thousands of hours are actually flying the plane for only a few minutes on a flight. The Air France 447 crash is a prime example of the PF not knowing what the f*#k he was doing; he had no idea that the plane was stalled.
Pilots are paying for their rides in some countries. There are pilots out there with 200 hours TOTAL time "flying" commercial passenger jets.
A good site for this stuff is http://www.pprune.org/
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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I'd have more concern about their pilots being represented by the Teamsters. In any case, "Allegiant Air is going to have a crash" struck me as true regardless of their safety procedures. All they need to do is fly long enough. It's rather like all of us. If we climb long and hard enough, we're going to take a nasty fall.
John
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