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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Once again, Lois, I have to reccomend Warren's book, "Downward Bound" Not only will it give you a lot of info about who he was, but his view of the valley scene of his time, and illustrations of how belays and leads etc work will answer a lot of the questions you ask. His rating of climbers via a version of Ansel Adams'zone system is alone, is worth the read.
I just looked it up on amazon, I didn't realize that it has become something of a collecters item since his passing. I hope that guy in Salt Lake returns my original hardback copy some day.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0897321014?v=glance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_J_Harding
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yo
climber
The Eye of the Snail
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Regular Route, Teapot Dome, 1922. FA: Warren G. Harding
Sylvester
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 2, 2006 - 12:40pm PT
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Hey, I knew he was old, but Sylvester climbed with Harding in 1922?
Wow!
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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I always thought.....
That the "big guys" who came late to the internet got here after hearing "everybody does it," but couldn't let go of the concern that internet was not cool, unless you were a geek of the uncool variation. So, they came under pseudonym - just in case.
With some sense of relief, they saw that they did indeed have friends here, and wouldn't it be just a little funny to play with them a bit before letting on who they were.
And then, it was such fun, that they thought they'd just roll with it, and see where it would take them.
I always thought the outing of the person behind the personna was sort of a rite of passage in Supertopia.
Not that I ever actually saw this happen; I just like the idea and am fairly certain that some also came here, got the idea to make a non de plume....
As for me, I know I am not in the leagues to which this thread refers, but I separated my "play" internet name from my real life name because I have a business, and do community service work and also have some artistic work that used to come up in a search for my name(woe....I desperately need to get back to creative projects...). I didn't want people who saw me in a professional sense to see me telling poop stories, complaining about the idea of working for the man, anti-government propaganda and such.
But, I was very open about who the real person was behind happiegrrrl, and have had someone come up to me at the Gunks almost every time I am there who recognizes me. I guess I talk too much.... It's to the point that a lot of people call me Happie instead of Terrie now, and that's okay with me.
I will say that, when someone posted my legal name here, it did cause me some trouble in real life. I had never used my last name online in this personna, and that was for a reason. I get hang-ups, sales calls, spam to my other email account, a lot more junk mail, and that kind of crap. And it started very soon after that incident. It could be a lot worse, I suppose, and that is why I think it's a very good idea to not use your full name, or refer to another person's full name, online, except in professional situations.
Some of you guys are professional climbers and the unpaid equivalent of that, and you are sort of in a catch 22, I guess. But I completely understand why any woman of some fame would not out themsleves here, and I can also understand why some men would choose to stay anonymous too. Who needs the petty bullshit that people with nothing better to do with their time foist upon others?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 2, 2006 - 02:19pm PT
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Good on ya Fat.
Speak the truth and shoot straight (not neccesarily in that order).
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 2, 2006 - 03:18pm PT
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'round here its more like the three Ss
shoot
shovel
shutup
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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LEB,
I posted some of Warren's letters and photos from the Nose on a couple of different threads about a month or two ago. If you do a search you can find them. Someone else may help you out as well. There were other somewhat historical threads that I started around the same time that you may find interesting also. If you have questions about him or others email me and I will try to answer them. I was fortunate enough to meet Warren in 1975 and did some climbing, and wine drinking with him over the years. He had a great sense of humor and was a good friend. I miss him.
Ken Yager
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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OK. I am rajmit's dad.
I am also Warren Harding (one of them anyway).
But I would *really* prefer that everybody think that I am dead, so I use this silly on-line name instead.
And the one time I climbed with Happie, I used her real name that she gave me. Online though, I just use happie.
But I did not tell her that I was Warren Harding.
(This post will self-destruct after you have read this).
Mr. Phelps.
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blackbird
Trad climber
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I know what and who I am. I know where and what I have done and experienced. I really don't care if you care in regards to this platform. I think that candor and integrity are the most important qualities of one's Character, period. With that, comes the responsibilty of the reality of, does one know and honestly practice who they really are, regardless of whether it is on this platform or while wiping their ass?
DITTO. Couldn't have said it more succinctly myself.
Add another to the list of those who use their real email, name and picture.
BB
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Euroford
Trad climber
Chicago, IL
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i am tim hovey, the one in chicago, there is another tim hovey that owns a gear shop in atlanta georgia. if your ever in the area, tell him his evil twin said howdy.
i am a former owner of a european ford. i sold my beloved vehicle and blew the money on climbing gear. some days i miss her, some days i don't. i wish i hadn't just bought a new car, you can really only have one in chicago and i could have kept the cosworth. i use the handle 'euroford' for nearly all online stuff, and have for 10 years, so i will continue to do so despite currently owning an american ford. amerford doesn't really roll off the tounge as smoothly does it?
fwiw, much more good can come from being yourself on these forums than the miniscule entertainment you can have from being full of sh#t.
yes i'm sure a web poseur can be a real climber, especially if they arn't intrested in expanding their network of friends/contacts and don't mind alienating the ones they already have.
i also despise the shift key, and i really should ask cmac to change that for me. Euroford just doesn't look correct.
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thedogfather
Trad climber
Midwest
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Only a poseur to those that don't have a copy of thedogfather DVD. Many that got the DVD also got my name, address, phone number, SSN, bank routing number, mother's maiden name. Does that mean I am only a real climber to them?
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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I can relate. I am new to this computer and forum business. When I first decided to say something here I assumed it was mandatory to use a nickname, but always signed my whole name and have shortened it recently because of the Google thing. I also didn't realize that I could use something different under the choices of what type of climber you are. I despise the word "Trad" and would change that before the nickname.
I intentionally picked the most obscure of many nicknames. That was in hopes of drawing the person (that gave me the name) into the mix.
My wife wishes I would have consulted her first. So do I and so be it. Some things shouldn't and can't be changed.
I think we have all felt like "Poseurs" at one time or another especially when delving into a new sport with too much excitement, gusto, and minimal knowledge of the sport. I speak from experience.
Can Poseurs become real climbers? I think so.
Ken
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nearly every climber in the Taco who has a Big Name™ uses their real name.
Whoa! Am I the first 5.4 leader to become a Big Name (TM)? What an honor. I woulda thought locker would be a big name before me, but there you go.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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I agree with Ken. I don't like the word "trad" to describe climbing. Many climbers climb (or try to climb) pretty much anything, taking on any challenge. This might be called classic climbing, but there's really no need for any adjective. It's simply climbing, and encompasses everything - 8,000 metre peaks to boulders. Calling it "traditional" or "trad" (how climbers love cute jargon!) is misleading - many climbers are rather non-traditional, whatever they climb, or how.
Climbers, and humans generally, like to feel that they're part of a distinct band or tribe. Once it was enough to say you were a climber - covered everything. Maybe there was a difference between "mountaineering" and climbing, but pretty blurred. Creating contrived descriptors tends to stress differences (usually small), instead of commonalities. Not a good thing. Ultimately, we'd end up each sitting on his/her own rock, proclaiming the superiority of our supposed "type" of climbing, possibly throwing insults or missiles at the heretics on the other rocks. Climbing isn't religion.
A matrix that compared all the essential attributes of all the different sub-species of climbing would show that the differences aren't all that great.
I'd prefer to be identified on ST simply as a climber. Those who like to believe they're truly different are welcome to their sub-classifications. Being uncomfortable with the "trad climber" and "sport climber" labels, I subversively identify myself on ST as a social climber. Which is uncomfortably close to the truth, at times - sadly, I now tend to spend more time going to meetings and talking about climbing, than actually climbing. Working on changing that.
Whether there should be yet another sub-species, poseur-climbers (or climber-poseurs) is another matter.
Anders
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Ouch!
climber
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Speaking of sub species, here is one. Since we have no pictures of the one who calls himself Dimslacker, Dumbsucker, or whatever, I had to use my considerable skills as a police sketch artist to arrive at what I think he might look like. I was aided in the content of his postings which produced the ears and nose.
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Anders,
I think "Trad" sounds like "Bad". It makes me feel like I am saying "I'm Bad, I'm Bad". Seems to me both sayings became popular at around the same time.
It used to be that being a climber covered it all and if it had to be sub-divided or defined then rock climber, ice climber, or mountaineer worked just fine.
Ken
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no_one
Big Wall climber
Hurricane, Utah
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Even if I used my real name nobody would know who I am.
I must be a poser!
Who is this piton guy anyway?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 3, 2006 - 06:35pm PT
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Ah, but I DO indeed know who you are.
Weren't you supposed to be in the Beaver Mountains or did you just go up a beaver?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 3, 2006 - 06:47pm PT
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Doomsayer to his pooch,"You got a purty mouth."
I'm surprised Ouch didn't give it at LEAST a C cup.
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