Can Poseurs Be Real Climbers?

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Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 1, 2006 - 11:17pm PT

I certainly don't agree with everything they say, hell I don't even agree with everything I say, but I respect people that post here without concealing their identity. Some may use pen names but still are open as to who they really are.

Climbing is an activity where candor is crucial. Can those who play silly games really expect to get respect.
Too bad there isn't a "masks off" section of the forum where it says "Poseurs Keep Out".

Am I alone in this?

Ron Olevsky

Maysho

climber

Truckee, CA

Sep 1, 2006 - 11:25pm PT

I agree amigo, I am very new to this forum stuff, but it seems strange to know there are probably some old pals of mine posting here with pseudonyms unknown to me.

I figure it is just some internet style thing that I "don't get".

Mater Peefield

bvb

Social climber

flagstaff arizona

Sep 1, 2006 - 11:32pm PT

hey, i been a posuer since day one. being a posuer don't mean you can't climb worth a shite! it mostly means you luv to talk shite. i'm proud to be a POSUER!!1!!

posting posuers unite!!

bob van "loser" van belle

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Sep 1, 2006 - 11:35pm PT

There was a rollcall thread concerning this a year or so ago.
-Jay (really Gerald Ford, aka snowbunny#1, what the hell? my cover is awready blown) Anderson.

Wonder

climber

Sep 1, 2006 - 11:41pm PT

Poseurs are losers.
Punk Roy D. Wonder.........................not.

roywonder style edit: Thats a legal alias registered with the police.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 1, 2006 - 11:51pm PT

Dooslither,
a popularity contest between you and Ouch would be a shutout.

EDIT
EDIT
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What happened to Doomsayer? Gee where did he go. I don't suppose it was,...?

Oh well.
Poltroon has an interesting etymology.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 2, 2006 - 12:19am PT

Huh? Your point is that you are indeed not forthright?

EDIT: Doomsayer ran away.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 2, 2006 - 12:28am PT

So you're not just a poseur but illiterate too?

BTW 847740003 is my mailing address too, Dumbnutz.

WBraun

climber

Sep 2, 2006 - 12:33am PT

Doomsayer

You're the real f*#king idiot, Ron already gave his real name in his original post.

Go troll somebody in a cemetery ...........

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 2, 2006 - 12:51am PT

If I didn't know who you are Werner I'd swear this was a sea change. lol

Mighty Hiker

Social climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Sep 2, 2006 - 01:19am PT

Good discussion, Ron!

I only started to look at on-line forums a few months ago. I contribute to a few Canadian forums, mostly on behalf of a climbers' access group. Sometimes under my own name, but even then mostly fairly factual stuff.

SuperTopo is really the only site I view and contribute to recreationally. The reasons include interest in (some of) the threads, interest generally in SuperTopia, and that a fair amount of the discussion is informative and/or amusing. Another is that many ST posters post under their own names, or thinly veiled pseudonyms. Some of whom are climbers of some stature. It makes the forums more credible, and tends to moderate some discussion.

There are good reasons why some people need to post under assumed identities - mostly plausible deniability. No way around that, in our interconnected world. For work or personal or family reasons, some people can't be seen to be posting under their own names.

Posting under an entirely invented name does allow considerable freedom. Unfortunately, it doesn't mandate parallel responsibility. Would these people post as much, or in the same manner, if they had to do so under their own names?

Not knowing any better, I started on ST under my proper name. After a week or two, I decided to adopt a pen name, and Chris Mc got it changed. Actually, it's a nickname given to me when I was in scouts - because I was anything but. Adolescent male humour at its best. Few know me by that nickname, but its the best I could do. For postings that are at all substantial, I still add my given name at the end. Not many climbers in North America have that name. None that I've met.

For the occasional silly posting, I don't add my name, or invent something goofy for the occasion.

Climbing is ultimately about being completely responsible for yourself, in debate and discussion also.

People could be more careful about the noms de plume they adopt (if they must), and the way they spin other people's names.

Anders

golsen

Social climber

kennewick, wa

Sep 2, 2006 - 01:19am PT

I hear you Mater Peefield, but I could have sworn your name was spelled different. I think its my mild perverted dylsexia settin in. But I gets your point totally.

Seems like ya gots to take things with a grain of salt when poseurs post stuff and you dont know who they are. Oh well.

Now I always thought Ron was kind of Nuts sometimes (takes one to know one huh?). But I cants blame him for not using "Nuts Ron". Personally, I think Piton works better than biner, bigbro or Roper Ron. Well, Roper Ron is kind of catchy dontcha think?

And Ouch! I do like his cartoons sometimes.

Now werner. Who is that anyway? Hes jus some ole dude I used to read about in the mags. I like to think that its goood karma to keep sumone who rescues folks hospitible towards me. Butt, sometimes makes me feel like I am on a spiritual quest tryin to figger out his stuff. Creepy place to be, I hope that dont mean nuttin...

ID EDIT
Hi, my name is Gary

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 2, 2006 - 01:41am PT

Ouch is A number 1 with me.

Without Sam's art this place would be much less appealing.

What of the rest of you photoshop wizards?
Let's see you do better.

golsen

Social climber

kennewick, wa

Sep 2, 2006 - 02:06am PT

LEB, I think responding to rajmit must have addled your brain. No I am not that Gary.

So Roper, err Piton Ron, how the hell have you been lately anyway?

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 2, 2006 - 02:08am PT

Gary Olsen is a wannabe troll, but you, Lois, you are the voice from the grave of Warren Harding.

golsen

Social climber

kennewick, wa

Sep 2, 2006 - 02:18am PT

lol, well I agree with some of your statement anyway ron.

BTW, I was looking over some old shots and I came up with this. (I will remove it if you dont want it here)

This is photographic evidence that piton ron is (was?) real,
does not climb with guns (at least not on his harness),
does not drill every time he climbs,
and can actually have fun sometimes.

edit: a fun SUSTAINABLE climb too. And sorry, no Ouchwork done....

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 2, 2006 - 02:39am PT

Those two faced lying cheat bastards at Snow Canyon made that route, Trouble No More, off limits most of the year, but I did it again last year with Donini, Tucker, and (Sarah) Clifford.
For decades they let boy scouts vandalize the base, but now they're protecting endangered feces.
This time the person who pulled the rappel ropes after the 45m free rappel made sure there was no knot to jam in the rappel chain....

I remember making an 8mm video of (Mike) Clifford leading that pitch and dubbing over George Thoroughgood's "I Drink Alone".

He never talked to me again.