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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Apr 30, 2014 - 11:20pm PT
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High Traverse, I didn't say anything about capital punishment. My question was, what would you do with the people I described in my post?
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WBraun
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Apr 30, 2014 - 11:21pm PT
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TMJesse -- "The "death penalty" is barbaric,"
Then why you keep industrialized slaughterhouses.
You are hypocrite .....
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Apr 30, 2014 - 11:22pm PT
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Killing a brutal heartless human animal has two purposes - avenging the wronged and making damn sure the SOB would not do it again.
In that sense you could say that the Death Penalty is a deterrent to future crimes....at least as far as the recently executed is concerned.
Also like the guillotine idea - add one vote in favor of that option.
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Stimbo
Trad climber
Crowley Lake
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Apr 30, 2014 - 11:24pm PT
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Though I'm not a proponent of the death penalty, I'm with Ron on this one. It's ironic that his execution "failed." The guy died... his execution seemed like it worked to me. He may have suffered.... oh well. That is pale in comparison to the girl he buried alive during a robbery. Karma...
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 30, 2014 - 11:27pm PT
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Stimbo
I'm still laughing to this day when animal Art sawed our work table in half 30 years ago ....
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thebravecowboy
climber
in the face of the fury of the funk
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Apr 30, 2014 - 11:28pm PT
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Stimbo
Trad climber
Crowley Lake
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Apr 30, 2014 - 11:33pm PT
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Yeah Werner, I still laugh at those times. Remember when Art threw his hammer across the condo complex, thru one of the buildings?
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 30, 2014 - 11:39pm PT
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Yeah ....
Some of the funniest times in our lives ....
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz CA
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Apr 30, 2014 - 11:40pm PT
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Im betting that if that 19 yr old girl he shot , then had his buddies bury ALIVE were your daughter, you wouldnt give one teensie rip one about how his exit didnt go so smoothly. Ron, you are absolutely right...if someone harmed my family I would rip their heart out with my bare hands with great delight. However, the justice system removes that direct emotional component of revenge. There have been instances of when family members have exacted homicidal revenge and they then become criminally prosecuted. Two wrongs don't make a right.
I am actually surprised that you would find it acceptable that the government should be in charge of taking a life???? Suddenly the government gets it's right? That doesn't sound like you.
Susan
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thebravecowboy
climber
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Apr 30, 2014 - 11:44pm PT
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excellent point about state-sanctioned executions, Susan. Why let the gummint do it at all, I mean, they can't even maintain a road or hire a decent LEO in NV...
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Apr 30, 2014 - 11:55pm PT
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Susan, just for the sake of clarification.....personal revenge is probably not the best way to go about dealing with wrong doing and for that reason we have ruling bodies and regulations. Discounting governments such as the Natzi's, is it not better to have elected officials dealing with wrong doing rather than private parties?
I don't have the answer's, I'm just trying to learn here.
Cheers, lynnie
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Apr 30, 2014 - 11:56pm PT
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Well give the murderers a drug that makes them think they are a squirrel and let em loose near a country road.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 30, 2014 - 11:59pm PT
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Why is capital punishment on the books if we (States) can't do it?
Some rabid animals should be put down. Shoot them in the head. I did it to a squirrel the other day, made the mistake of falling into my dog's mouth.
Murderous rats are no different.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz CA
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personal revenge is probably not the best way to go Yes Lynnie...I think we are on the same page...for sure personal revenge is not the way to go, but I'd have to say that if I got my hands on someone harming my loved ones...well...
Yes I do believe the justice process needs to be removed from the direct emotional charge of the aggrieved....I just can't go so far as endorsing state sanctioned murder.
Susan
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thebravecowboy
climber
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what about raffling off the right/writ of execution to the highest bidder, privatizing the process, if you will? I see some Bundy-stanians that are already so ready to pop off on any semi-justifiable cause, maybe we can find a way to kill/mollify/fund three birds with one stone here, man.
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thebravecowboy
climber
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Ron could you help to clarify the direct control by Washington on the LEOs these days?
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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I have gone back and forth on the death penalty over the years. I don't think the method matters much, so long as actually trying to prolong pain is not the point. I mean in the end someone is being killed. I worry more about wrongful convictions, and the death penalty's overall benefit compared to the exceedingly high cost- not just money but everything else involved. Death cases go on forever for all involved. I understand the sentiment of the surviving victims but I am not sure it's helpful to spend a couple of decades waiting for the axe to fall.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Going back to the original post title, "Is There a Humane Way to Kill?" and thinking about it, the title is pretty vague.
Is there a humane way to kill who or what and in what context?
The definition of humane is "having or showing concern for the pain or suffering of another, compassionate."
Perhaps the whole debate of how to deal with humans that perpetrate incredible horrors on other human beings should be defined with different verbage other than humane. Again, I don't have the answers but think we can all learn from asking questions and for deep issues like this solid debate is a good thing.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz CA
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No Ron, I actually did not miss your "feel sorry" for local LEOs, nor did I miss how things were so much better when you were LEO. What I perceive is that you, and many others, pick and choose what they find acceptable/unacceptable with government. In general you give off a tone of "less government is better". I can't disagree to a certain degree with that. However, the taking of a life by the state is, to me, the most invasive form of big government. I cannot condone that on moral,ethical or political grounds.
While I don't like the idea of taking care of a prisoner for life either, neither do I like the idea that the government took care of Bundy by directly supporting his private business interests by allowing year after year after year of free grazing.
My assumption is that you support only government activities that support your beliefs.
Susan
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