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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Apr 30, 2014 - 10:01pm PT
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I had to dispatch a rattlesnake today.
It was under my neighbor's window. He's scared of any snake and really scared by a rattler. He'd dropped a shovel on its head from the window and when I got there the rattler was definitely the worse for wear. Alive and trying to hiss at me but clearly mortally wounded. So I dispatched him with said shovel. Didn't like doing it one bit. My wife was getting ready to call GotSnakes to take him away to a safe home.
But hey, isn't that the definition of Bleeding Heart Liberal?
oh, you meant capital punishment of humans. Totally cruel and inhumane. As if there's any way to kill a person against their will humanely.
Yesterday's prolonged murder by state in Oklahoma was brutal. It might just finally change attitudes in the US Supreme Court.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 30, 2014 - 10:04pm PT
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Just throw them off the top of El Cap and they're toast in a few seconds .....
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Apr 30, 2014 - 10:07pm PT
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toss 'em under the wheels of a speeding Amtrak train. Then you (Werner) won't have to pick up the pieces.
Or did you mean rattlesnakes?
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2014 - 10:09pm PT
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Although I do not relish meeting up with them, I've never found it necessary to kill a rattlesnake and I run into a lot of them.
Did the guy in OK "deserve" to be killed humanely? I really wonder. Read up on what he did. Whoops, but then read what the state of OK did?
What's the difference?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Apr 30, 2014 - 10:09pm PT
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The Bush love conspiracy killed millions...
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 30, 2014 - 10:11pm PT
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If there is no imminent threat then there is no justification for killing a person. If there is then evacuate if possible then contain and if there is no other choice then one does what one can as quickly and effectively as possible.
A man in a cell surrounded by armed guards is not generally a threat. To kill such a person is murder. There is no good way to kill them.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2014 - 10:11pm PT
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That's a new one on me RJ. What is the Bush love conspiracy?
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 30, 2014 - 10:12pm PT
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Rattlesnakes
I don't like killing sh!t so I avoid them. Can't hear them either.
What's wrong with a guillotine?
Very fast.
Americans can't stomach sh!t like that probably.
Yet they use them in all slaughterhouses.
Americans are hypocrites .....
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Apr 30, 2014 - 10:17pm PT
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Since we are talking death penalty cases, I could care less. They get far more consideration then they gave their victims.
As far as I'm concerned, he died to quickly.
The death penalty is wrong only because it's based on "morality". The only reason for the death penalty is simple, WE DON'T NEED THESE PEOPLE.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Apr 30, 2014 - 10:18pm PT
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zBrown...It's an epic tale by a local painting contractor that never wore a respirator when spraying laquer...He finally went off the deep end and traveled to Rome to meet the Pope...You had to be there...rj
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 30, 2014 - 10:19pm PT
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The logic of "we don't need these people" is very easily extended beyond our usual murderous ways. There are not many folks on this planet we "need".. this prevalent logic of those in power explains a great deal of the problems worldwide.
YER GUNNA DIE
Why should I give a sh#t?
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Apr 30, 2014 - 10:21pm PT
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Well, they are not the ones doing the murdering, the raping, or the molesting.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 30, 2014 - 10:22pm PT
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Oh yes they are.. on a far larger scale than the average murderer on death row. Please see Iraq, Afghanistan, and insurance companies.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Apr 30, 2014 - 10:23pm PT
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Bets on how long it takes this thread to reach 1000 posts.
My money is on 4 days.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Apr 30, 2014 - 10:24pm PT
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Werner...Yeah but what if they survived the fall...? Then what...?
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 30, 2014 - 10:25pm PT
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How about piranha.
Lower him into a piranha tank. :-)
When I was in Amazon the Indians did that to rapists.
Lowered them into the piranha infested river and the piranha ate them alive.
Almost no crime in the Amazon backwoods.
If you do crime back there you end up being eaten alive by piranha ......
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 30, 2014 - 10:25pm PT
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It's not complicated.. like slavery.. murder is wrong. State sponsored is in some ways worse than average murder. Many nations have figured this out long before the USA.. as usual.
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Don'tKnowHim
Social climber
California
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Apr 30, 2014 - 10:34pm PT
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Ah, but what is "human?" What is the "stuff" that makes us "human?" Is it simply the makeup of the DNA? Or, is it the capacity for awareness of other beings destinies, compassion, potentials? Something else?
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