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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Okay - you've got such a tenant - whacha gonna do? First, I've become very good at screening these people out of my life, but let's just say. You want to evict them for noise and littering? Don't like how they're treating the berber? Have fun getting a judge to throw them out of house and home for that, you'll need a stack of police reports, and even that will probably not work. Their home is protected by lease and law and you as the owner can't even walk through the front door w/o their permission.
Okay, so you're a hardass who knows the laws, loopholes and you have a super strict lease -yet somehow you've got some as#@&%es in your place and you're going to show them who's boss. Yeah right. All I have to say is you loose - get out your checkbook and hope they didn't fill your sewer with concrete.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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JLP nails it.
I've got a similar neighbor situation, and tried all the 'friendly' approaches. Much of the time, it's like teaching a pig to sing.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Evicted tenants in my nextdoor neighbors place went back and torched it. Burned halfway down. I was in similar situation a few years ago, nice neighborhood, renters across street just like your neighbors. I finally moved, to a place with hard core association rules, gated, etc. No dogs over 25lb etc. Super quiet, friendly people, love it. Good luck, it sucks i know
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Common decency. Never call the police on a neighbor. Talk to them and build a rapport, that will take time and it won't happen with one visit.
Bottomline, you shouldn't have to hear someone's noise in your house. Tell them that and that neighbors have to respect each other and work it out on themselves or people will quit being neighbors and just call the police.
I had to call the police finally with two persons, after all efforts failed. When it reaches that point, being neighbors is over and you have an enemy to your peace. One guy reformed, and his wife became a fire inspector. The other is locked up because he threatened another neighbor and we all got together to make sure this particular nutcase couldn't continue to terrorize our community. All the other dozens of situations I have dealt with have ended up building a rapport on some level.
A few dealings that started in disagreements ended up in friendships. The safest neighborhood is the one where your neighbors watch out for you. So reach out to the ones that are not bothering you as well.
I personally would like to ship out folks who would call the authorities first, before approaching a neighbor, to Somalia or Yemen, or an East Block Cold War era type country. They are betrayers of common decency, abusers of their fellow man.
A lady next door brought over a pot of delicious pasta evening before last. Now that beat the hell out of the frozen pizza I brought home. Good luck
Edit; Also, I am a landlord.
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James Wilcox
Trad climber
Goleta/Virginia Lakes
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Talk to some of the other neighbors and see what their attitude is about the situation. If no one else is bothered than it may help change your perspective. But if everyone else is equally annoyed than maybe you can form a plan as a group.
We have a drug dealer a few doors down. He doesn't want his customers to park in front of his house, so they park in front of ours and walk down the street(hard to miss when this happens 4-6 times a day). We just now park on the street, rather than the driveway, forcing them to park elsewhere.
What was most annoying is they'd score their drugs, go back to the car and light up, eat fast food, than throw their trash in our gutter, empty their ashtrays, etc.
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WBraun
climber
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The safest neighborhood is the one where your neighbors watch out for you.
Yep, good stuff clinker
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Clinker...I have a trust-funder , tweaker , that lives above me...doesn't work and likes to have all- nighter parties twice a month..I tried your approach of nicely asking him to turn the music down but caught him at a bad moment when he was tweaking....He flipped out yelling and threatening to kick my ass as the neighbors next door looked on in embarassment...Shaking my head in disbelief , i went back to my condo..Seconds later the guy knocks on my door pretending to be talking to his friends on his cell phone and inviting them over so they can watch him kick my ass..I'm 6' 3" , he's 5'8"...yeah right..Then he wants to shake my hand and tries to apologize....By this time i want nothing to do with the nutjob and tell him to go home...He leaves and minutes later a cop shows up at my door who accuses me of treatening to kick the tweakers ass..The cop tells me to stay away from the tweaker who is suddenly the victim...I like your approach about reaching out to the loud neighbors but it doesn't always work especially when you're dealing with someone who isn't playing with a full deck of cards..Other owners have called the cops on this guy and the cops are too lazy to follow thru and file charges against the tweaker...I feel for dapper dan..
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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After giving it some further though.. I revise my statement. I'd still want to know if my tenants were a problem but as for the people living next door having to deal with it every night...Just call the police... every single time.
More immediate results and it is, in fact, part of their job description to handle noise complaints.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Common decency. Never call the police on a neighbor.
You almost got it right:
Common decency. Never do anything that will force a neighbor to call the police.
I'm sure you have the common decency to NOT call the police EVER, when they are beating a dog to death, beating their wife to death, beating their child to death. Lighting your neighbors house on fire. Lighting YOUR house on fire.
Firing their gun indoors, through their walls.
Nope, never. That's common decency.
If you're a common doormat.
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fluffy
Trad climber
Colorado
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sure call the cops on me if I'm violating noise ordinances, sure beats having bricks thrown through our windshields after you move out
oh wait you did both of those things you pu$$y lol
sack up and talk to your neighbors if that doesn't work then escalate
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Get your ninja suit on and sneak over and cut the power.
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John M
climber
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Ken M, I disagreed with what Clinker said, but read further and I believe that he went on to explain that as long as a person acts like a neighbor, meaning they respect your needs, then he considers them to be a neighbor, but then he redefines them as an enemy if they don't respect that relationship.
I had to call the police finally with two persons, after all efforts failed. When it reaches that point, being neighbors is over and you have an enemy to your peace. One
I myself would still call them my neighbor, but they aren't being neighborly. I have had to call the cops on neighbors. I even liked these people, but our lives did not match up well. I worked early hours, they liked to party late. I tried to compromise with them and allow them some late nights, but they just kept breaking their word. So I called the cops on them. They knew that I did, I had told them that I would. But I also knew that they were mostly decent people and wouldn't jack with me.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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That was my own rule to offset the systematic 911 calls. Yes, save the call for the big ones.
Rules are made to be broken. My favorite rule.
And you dip-sh#ts that would call the cops about the non-murderous situations, without communicating with your neighbors first, you are f#cked-up wastes of free airspace.
Oh, this car is 2inches from my driveway its supposed to be 18inches and that birthday party is way to loud, "Officer I have a situation"....go to hell.
Where is the love?
Edit: In real life I am a little more respectful and diplomatic, on the forum it is good to let the inner WB get out.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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John, reasonable people can always be dealt with, and that is always worth trying.
I guess I react to the words "never", or "always".
You don't always know what one is dealing with. Approaching that person in the middle of the event is probably a bad idea most of the time. You don't know what drugs they're on, if they are packing heat, if they might view you, in their drug haze, as a "threat".
That conversation is best held in the light of day, even better if several neighbors walk over to talk, together. Neighborly, but not a single "target".
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John M
climber
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I reacted to the word "never " also Ken. I have learned that it applies to very few things.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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For my "owner" neighbors, I have nothing but earned respect. I have pretty much all of their phone numbers - both near me and near my rentals.
Renters come in basically 2 classes - those that would pass the screening of an experienced landlord, and those that wouldn't.
These latter types, if it weren't for the preponderance of inexperienced, naive landlords, would be pushing a shopping cart through the city park or living with their mom. These types can eat a dick. They move from one property to the next leaving nothing but destruction and unpaid bills in their wake. They are veterans of police visits, evictions, lawsuits and judgements. They stand out in every neighborhood they grace. F*#k them, they're sub-human. You want to talk to them? Have fun with that. I'd prefer to scoop them all up in a front end loader and dump them off in a sewer where they belong.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Did you consider sending their names and address to the local chapter of the Jehovah Witnesses? Your neighbors are obviously very much in need of salvation and the JW Church will send many missionaries to their front porch morning, noon and night. They may even camp out over night in front of their house and accost them on their way out to the mailbox.
Don't get mad. Get even.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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^^^^Hankster for the win. ^^^^
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speelyei
Trad climber
Mohave County Arizona
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as hilarious now as the first time I heard it.
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