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Stoney007247
Trad climber
Cordelia
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 23, 2013 - 08:55pm PT
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Brian P. Thank you for responding. Let me start off by thanking you for the work you have done at the Quarry. It really is people like you that take locations like this and make it available and safe for people like me to climb at. I wish I knew who you were and what organization you are involved with. I would of come up and shaken your hand. Your replacing of bolts is a good thing and that place could use a bit of it.
At the same time, the guy with the dog didn't even have a leash for his dog. He had to tie him up with a 30" runner and biner in the hot sun for multiple hours. AND, when I told him what his dog did (kill 4 goslings) all he had to say to me was "those geese are an invasive species and shouldn't be here anyways" and "I saw two chicks alive so there must have been 6 there". Thats when I lost my cool and told him to stay away from me and put his damn dog on a leash. There was no apology or even remorse to me at the time.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Apr 23, 2013 - 09:08pm PT
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Ya! Friggin dogs. They'll lay all over ya! ;)
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 23, 2013 - 09:10pm PT
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Sh#t on trail, or base
Pee on equipment
Hump leg
Sniff crotch
Lick face
Pant in face
Growl
Whine
Bark for no reason
Bark aggressively at people
Drool on possessions and persons
Bite people
Fight with other dogs
Dig holes and throw dirt on possessions and people
Lie down on possessions and people
Knock sh#t over like water bottles
Beg
Steal food
Rifle through packs
Get underfoot while bouldering
Get underfoot on steep approaches
Chase wildlife
Eat endangered species
Threaten access by the above behaviors
Good list but i would like to add a few.
run through my rope while i am belaying a leader almost pulling my leader off( happened last time @ rumny)
Dig up a bunch of holes and cause erosion. I care not so much about my possesions but the erosion issue is the #1 reason that land managers do not like climbers.
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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Apr 24, 2013 - 12:00am PT
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What... no dogs? But how am I going to get my rope up there when my dog climbs sooo much better than me?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 24, 2013 - 12:58am PT
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Lot of talk about giving chocolate to dogs, which can be deadly. If I see anyone feeding a dog chocolate I will consider it attempted murder and respond accordingly.
this also applies to an untrained dog’s actions.
What about trained dogs who experience a temporary lapse in self-control? I've been potty trained for decades... doesn't mean I always make it. I'm sure that holds for most of the geriatric posters on the StupidTaco as well.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Apr 24, 2013 - 10:21am PT
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Good posts Stoney007247 and bp. It's great to have a productive discussion here.
Do no no list:
Sh#t on trail, or base
Pee on equipment
Hump leg
Sniff crotch
Lick face
Pant in face
Growl
Whine
Bark for no reason
Bark aggressively at people
Drool on possessions and persons
Bite people
Fight with other dogs
Dig holes and throw dirt on possessions and people
Lie down on possessions and people
Knock sh#t over like water bottles
Beg
Steal food
Rifle through packs
Get underfoot while bouldering
Get underfoot on steep approaches
Chase wildlife
Eat endangered species
Threaten access by the above behaviors
run through my rope while i am belaying a leader Dig up a bunch of holes and cause erosion.
Sprawl out on the flattest, most comfortable belay spot.
Go swimming and wait to shake themselves off 'til they're 3 ft away from you.
Lie down on your flaked out rope while you're belaying the leader.
And I'll add my biggest pet peeve, get left alone while owner climbs a multi-pitch, so they whine, pace, and get territorial, then when the selfish owner comes back the dog is happy and they think it was perfectly behaved the whole time. I see it all the time at the Leap.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 24, 2013 - 10:28am PT
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when you guy's see a dog at the crag you should leave and go to the mall or something.
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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Apr 24, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
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Dog no no list: / climber no no list
Sh#t on trail, or base / sh#t on trail, at base, on ledge halfway up
Pee on equipment / pee in a crack, or worse, from above you
Hump leg / hump your girlfriend, or try anyway
Sniff crotch / smell like crotch
Lick face / backwash your water bottle cause they ran out
Pant in face / pant loudly when pumped, or near your girlfriend
Growl / grunt
Whine / whimper at the crux
Bark for no reason / spray unwanted beta for a route your not on anyway
Bark aggressively at people / same
Drool on possessions and persons / same
Bite people / climb through without permission
Fight with other dogs / bolt wars, chopping
Dig holes and throw dirt on possessions and people / trundle
Lie down on possessions and people / dog a route with a hungover party of 3
Knock sh#t over like water bottles / drop sh#t on your head, like water bottles
Beg / yep
Steal food / its community property at the crag, aint it?
Rifle through packs / its booty if its unattended more than 10 seconds!
Get underfoot while bouldering / its a place, not a sport.
Get underfoot on steep approaches / cut switchbacks on steep approaches
Chase wildlife / ARE wildlife
Eat endangered species / displace nesting endangered species
Threaten access by the above behaviors / and more
run through my rope while i am belaying a leader / critique my belay technique, offering up the hip belay as the only safe method as seen on youtube
Dig up a bunch of holes and cause erosion. / bolt cracks
Sprawl out on the flattest, most comfortable belay spot./ pass out drunk after fixing a clasric, causing an epic log jam
Go swimming and wait to shake themselves off 'til they're 3 ft away from you. get within 3 feet of you, without bathing
Lie down on your flaked out rope while you're belaying the leader. / chat it up, standind on your rope, while you,re belaying a leader
And I'll add my biggest pet peeve, get left alone while owner climbs a multi-pitch, so they whine, pace, and get territorial, then when the selfish owner comes back the dog is happy and they think it was perfectly behaved the whole time. I see it all the time at the Leap. / leaving their trash all alone, thinking all the while they are environmentally superior
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 24, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
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WOOF.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 24, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
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^^^ Or in that case BARK.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Apr 24, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
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nice hillrat!
I was thinking the same thing, we need a list of climber no nos.. and how many of them will be very similar.
I'll add:
Drop something without yelling rock
Have the leader climb up the a*# of the second of the previous party so belay ledges are crowded. (wait until the second arrives at the belay,then start up)
Take over ~1/2 per pitch on a popular climb (i.e. climbing a classic route over their heads)
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Getch
Mountain climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Apr 24, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
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Criminal intent is a requirement of the law not my definition. Yes there are ways around it, but we are talking about a civil violation which does not require mens rea. You can argue the definition or go read the case law surrounding that definition.
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labrat
Trad climber
Auburn, CA
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Apr 24, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
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Thank you Brian Poulsen for the great response and the work you are doing!
Erik
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euro-brief-guy
Boulder climber
Auburn, ca
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Apr 24, 2013 - 05:17pm PT
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Thanks BP. I've also been doing my best to make Auburn a bit chin' crag. I definitely don't want some yahoos to jeopardize my local crag.
About 2 months ago I saw 2 unleashed dogs get into it pretty bad.....pit bull vs terrier. Owners were pretty casual about the whole thing.
Steve Montesanto
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 24, 2013 - 08:56pm PT
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I hope they took their dog in for a checkup!
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Apr 24, 2013 - 11:23pm PT
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I'll add to the human side.. don't try to take a picture of me trying to take a piss or sh#t. Or even blatently watch.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Apr 25, 2013 - 01:42am PT
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I'll bet there's a creepy story behind that one!
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Apr 25, 2013 - 02:19am PT
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Doggy bump
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Apr 25, 2013 - 02:21am PT
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"Like many things there is one who spoils it for the bunch. I take my dog to crags regularly. I have never met a person who does not enjoy my dog."
Ergo, dogs belong at the crags. Bullsh#t.
I love my dog more than most human beings, for the record.
Brian, nice post. Thanks for your good work and genuine response.
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