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philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Mar 12, 2013 - 03:59pm PT

i could so fool you with crocadile tears...

How much extra do they cost to add to a stuffed one?

Ron you are such a reliable straight man we should to a stand up routine.

philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Mar 12, 2013 - 04:01pm PT

I bet you could stuff him in a good pose.

guido

Trad climber

Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific

Mar 12, 2013 - 04:08pm PT

Philo and Ron will match it up in Camp 4 at 6pm. Werner the pacifist is dah referee.

GDavis

Social climber

SOL CAL

Mar 12, 2013 - 04:28pm PT

: / as f*#ked up as all who are involved are, I can't help but feel for Hugos mama. She loved her boy, even if he was crazy and she shouldn't have she did and it hurts bad I'm sure.

It's impossible to tell how much of ahmadinejad is actually sad and how much is putting on a face, and I think to guesstimate is more to show my own opinion on it. If I thought he was being replaced by someone who would become a great leader I could look at this image perhaps a bit differently, but one despot begets another. Here's hoping that people see what a world there is out there and find a way to keep these as#@&%es from getting into power... (that includes us, btw)

Don Paul

Big Wall climber

Colombia, South America

Mar 12, 2013 - 04:58pm PT

Scott, he's considered a moderate in Iranian politics, and the criticism of his kissing a woman in public was seen as a deliberate snub of the clergy. It's their reaction to this that made it a news story, so I think people have it backwards when they try to associate Ahmadinejad with videos of people being stoned to death by a mob. It is the same mistake people make when they refer to the Taliban, as if they were an anomaly in Afghan culture, but they are only a shade to the right of public opinion. Ahmadinejad is on the left in Iran. You could say the Iranians are conservative because of Islamic law, or liberal because they're socialists. That's what Chavez and Ahmadinejad had in common, obviously.

If people aren't aware of Ahmadinejad's politics, domestically he's known as a builder. He's an engineer, a highly respected profession in the middle east. His claim to fame as mayor of Tehran was building massive amounts of roads. Iranians like having highly technical people lead them, and their nuclear program is essentially that they don't want to be inferior to anyone in terms of technology. They're not going to nuke Nevada (as if it mattered) or Israel although I don't discount that some day they may want nuclear weapons. Overall, the Iranian government is far more rational than the US govt and as such, is a lot more predictable. They rarely act against their own interests, which is a problem often seen in US foreign policy. The Iranians need to be tough to avoid ending up like their neighbors to the east and west. Iraq and Afghanistan were both reduced to rubble for reasons that no one seems to be able to explain.

Iran's international politics are first about survival, and second about resisting the stranglehold the west wants to have on the region, and one noteworthy effort is the call to eliminate the permanent members of the UN security council, replacing them by members elected by the general assembly. This has to happen eventually if there is to be democracy in the world. That's why most of the world supports Iran's initiatives in the UN. But these are Iran's policies, and the result of Iranian politics, not necessarily the position of Ahmadinejad.

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Mar 12, 2013 - 05:10pm PT

This thread has become the usual 'Sinful Act'.
Aren't there laws about public indecency?

Majid_S

Mountain climber

Bay Area , California

Mar 12, 2013 - 05:31pm PT

I am pretty sure that most of you nutjobs never been in the middle east to know what is going on and think people are crazy there but each country has its own laws and order and if their people are ok with it then that is the law.

GDavis

Social climber

SOL CAL

Mar 12, 2013 - 05:41pm PT

... until it becomes a human rights issue, then we can talk some MAD sh#t Majid.

kennyt

climber

Woodfords,California

Mar 12, 2013 - 05:45pm PT

I'm perty sure the chick gettin stoned wouldn't mind some reform

S.Leeper

Social climber

somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'

Mar 12, 2013 - 05:49pm PT

tar..meet feather.

GDavis

Social climber

SOL CAL

Mar 12, 2013 - 06:20pm PT

I've been to Iraq, Jordan, Syria, and Turkey.

I have seen the abuse of women first hand and talk to many of the locals. Been blocks away when American tourist were blown up by terrorist and hidden as an Ukraine tourist out of fear and threats to my life.

Can't say I'm a big fan of the Muslim Culture or faith, but yes I've been there.

OH SNAP!

climbski2

Mountain climber

Anchorage AK, Reno NV

Mar 12, 2013 - 06:24pm PT

The Op is funny.

Regarding Iran. I don't consider them much of a threat whether they get the bomb or not. Pretty sure it's not worth going to war. Culturally I'm sure I can list many more things wrong with American society than I can Iranian simply because I'm not very familiar with Iranian society. I'm also sure they aren't perfect.

I'd be willing to bet my left nut however that the vast majority of Americans and Iranians would get along very well and enjoy meeting each other on any given day.

No idea if violence is more or less of an issue in Iran or for that matter most other Muslim nations. I am aware of both Muslim and Christian nations where armed violence is worse than it is in America... mebbe actually not sure of that. Syria , Columbia, Mexico,Brazil, Iraq and Afghanistan are probably worse would be my guess.

Majid_S

Mountain climber

Bay Area , California

Mar 12, 2013 - 06:29pm PT

If they ask me who are the closes people to Americans, I'll say Iranians are the missing half of the Americans. These two culture are so look alike that I have never seen anything like it.

I am not talking about US nor the Iranian government but the actual people are like an apple cut in half

Don Paul

Big Wall climber

Colombia, South America

Mar 12, 2013 - 09:10pm PT

Ive never been to Iran but I dont think its a violent country. It may be that the Iranians overreacted about 5 years ago, to the Green Movement coup attempt, but more policemen were killed than protesters. And besides the Greens were obviously backed by USAID, George Soros, and so on. Aside from that the Iranians have not had many incidents. The Iran-Iraq war was not their fault. One might criticize them but when an American criticizes them it sounds hypocritical because the Iranians have not killed millions of people in Iraq and Afghanistan, do not have any prisons comparable to Guantanamo (or even SHUs in other prisons), and don't have a huge % of their population imprisoned.

I'm glad we don't have a religious branch of our government, but that's what the Iranians want and what resulted from the Iranian revolution of 1978. And they've mainly formalized what exists in most muslim countries, that the ulema have a lot of influence. The mosque is the center of every community so what do you expect?

As for the mistreatment of women, I am totally against it but have not been to Iran and don't know about it. I know just about everyone at the Press TV station and more than half are women, and they appear to be treated as equals. I really don't know. I spent a few months in Afghanistan, where women are obviously mistreated, but that's not based on Islam, but on their tribal culture. Strange but true: while I was there, the US Army was handing out copies of the old legal code, pure Hanafi / Sharia law, in an effort to modernize the village courts, which were based on the pashtunwali tribal code. In that system if a woman gets raped, its her fault, and she's dishonored the tribe and may be killed. In one true example, a man was caught having sex with a goat. The tribal court ordered him to marry the goat, and they had a ceremony with the whole village there. Talk about humiliation. This is all about Afghanistan, though, as Majid says, Iran seems very modern.

BASE104

Social climber

An Oil Field

Mar 12, 2013 - 11:46pm PT

I know a whole bunch of former Iranians. Since Oil is their only source of income, they sent a regular flow of college and graduate students to Oklahoma, because OU has a fantastic petroleum geology program.

After the revolution, a lot of them had to stay here because their families were somehow tied to the old regime. I know one of them very well.

He was educated in London and is one of the most formal and delicate people I have met. He couldn't go back or he would have been executed.

Their was a booming Muslim center close to campus for many years, and I believe a brick or two was tossed into the yard over time, but basically they all fit in fine and there is no problem.

I did have a sit down dinner with a Saudi student and his girlfriend once. We sat, ate with our very well cleaned fingers. I remember rolling stuff up in a ball to eat. For some reason, I think the girl couldn't handle him because he was pretty sexist.

I was reading Leviticus yesterday to finally find out why the new Christians hate gays so much (the "abomination" phrase is in Leviticus) and many of those rules originate in the early old testament.

I encourage everyone to go read Leviticus online. It is really short and has all kinds of crazy laws that God told Moses. Crazy stuff. If the Christian Right really goes all Leviticus on us, Lord help us.