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Steve's sister
Social climber
Las Vegas, NV
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hmmmm. Dogs more needy than children...Try kenneling your children, or crate training them. hahaha!
I love being a slave to my dog, he gets me out of more things I'd prefer not to commit to, as in, "Oh sorry, I can't do such and such, I gotta run, gotta let the dog out".
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Steve's Sister - my thoughts exactly. Like Lolli I didn't see much emotion in the OP. I assumed a partner had flaked on him at the last minute and used their dog as the reason.
Meh. Who knows. I'm going to sit here and be happy being a slave to my birds. My only regret is not being enslaved by the ones who have gone away. :(
RIP Ferne Ferne. Still heartbroken.
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Steve's sister
Social climber
Las Vegas, NV
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Hey Crimpie....still bound by sorrow, so sad, and yet we would do it all over again, just for the joys of the time we had.
The benefits really do outweight the bummers.
Thinking of you!
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Capt.
climber
some eastside hovel
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Put my owner down about a month ago.He owned me for about fourteen years.Feel like I lost my arm or something.Man I miss him.He was a good owner. :(...
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gonzo chemist
climber
Fort Collins, CO
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Sorry Tradman,
you're not going to win the "Troll of the Year" award for this thread. I think Farouk has clinched that with his "REI" thread.
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Friedo
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe
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Funny that you keep saying, "I understand dogs... the truth hurts, yada yada..."
I'm afraid you just don't understand dogs. You also don't understand people. If you don't understand dogs or people, you can't possibly understand the relationship a person has with his/her dog.
The joy in the relationship comes from loving the dog, not from the dog!
If you love the dog, you take on the responsibility of caring for the dog. It is a choice we make, therefore, since we made a CHOICE, we are still free. We have not given up our freedom because we chose to care for a dog.
Sorry you don't like dogs, but to try to make dog owners feel bad about having a dog? You really don't have a clue...
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Teddy and Chutney, who is the canine companion of one of my friends.
Teddy can sleep anywhere - even with a guidebook as a pillow.
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gonzo chemist
climber
Fort Collins, CO
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Holy crap, Happie! Teddy and Chutney look EXACTLY like the two maltese that my mom had.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 5, 2012 - 08:00pm PT
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Friedo. I undersatand both well enough to know you would not get it and would put some hate on me for revealing the truth. I treat dogs just like people and hold them to the standards of people simply because their slaves give them the same rights and emotional attention as people. Some dogs I like a lot, some are real jerks to everyone except their slave. Of all the dogs I know only 2 are allowed to lick my face. Interestingly enough only two people are allowed to lick my face as well ;) The shot I posted upthread of Kyle haveing lunch with the 5 dogs is the reason that this thread happened. We worked on that house for 14 months and those 5 dogs were there every day as well as a few others that came and went. Additionaly that house is on a dirt road where everyone from town gets walked by their slavemasters. The roof of that house was 100ft long with several wings and is cedar shake shingles. I was up on that roof nailing shingles watching the dog show for several weeks. learned a lot about the whole slave @ master relationship. Pretty funny watching kyle get down off that roof and chase after Henry every time a new slave was dragged down the road past our dog and construction show:)
Additionaly I am looking at this from a climbers perspective. Isa and I took many 10 day climbing trips and her daughter never had a problem staying with dad ( usually going on a windsurfing vacation) both of our cats were just fine with a full bag of cat fud, a leaky faucet and a cat door to the great outdoors. Most climbing roadtrips I have gone on with dogs had some drama. Dogs simply do not enjoy multi pitch climbing. They do not like ice climbing at all and sport climbing and cragging is effin nutty unless you are at a super secret crag that is not crawling with dogs and people.. Bella liked to bite people and get us arrested in the national parks... Blue has to sniff every butt that goes by and then bark and growel..
If you live in the country it is tolerable to be owned by a dog but in the city it is downright crazy......
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 5, 2012 - 09:09pm PT
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I used to be a slave to my cats but then about 18 years ago I got brave and installed a cat door. Emerson the cat is totaly and completly free now. The only time he ever gets held against his will is for anual vet visit and the ocasional first aid. He comes and goes as he pleases. He chooses to live here but does not have to. I can leave for several weeks if I choose and he will be completly fine in my absence. I leave several soup pots full of dry food, bucket of water, toilet seat up and let a faucet drip. He never has a litter box. He goes outside to do his bathroom breaks and then is decent enough to do the back country cover up deal. He even knows that I do not like it when he bothers the birds so he only kills rodents.
Blue is coming to visit this weekend. Blue will freak out if we try and take him climbing and will most likly try to eat Emerson if we leave him here.....
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nature
climber
CO
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my dog owned me. So? I wish she still owned me. I had a dream about her last night. woke my girlfriend up twitching and moaning and sad because of the dream. almost three years later and she still affects my subtle body.
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apogee
climber
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A dog is a dog. It's really that simple.
Saying that they somehow 'own' people seems like an anthropocentric view of someone who isn't that keen on dogs.
Not a criticism...just an observation.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Blue is coming to visit this weekend. Blue will freak out if we try and take him climbing and will most likely try to eat Emerson if we leave him here.....
Why hate on Bluey like that? *Snicker!*
edit: totally understand Nature. Life is never the same after they leave. :(
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 5, 2012 - 09:21pm PT
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How would you feel if someone brought a pet lepord or perhaps a mountain lion into your life and it ate your dog? ;)
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 5, 2012 - 09:26pm PT
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You are right. a dog is a dog. Most of them dictate 24-7 what their humans may and may not do... ;)
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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I have two dogs, one too smart, the other, not so much.
Categorizing dogs is the same as that of humans. Some are smart, some are not.
Tioga is as dumb as a box of rocks, but he kicks ass at putting a tennis ball in his mouth and then chasing a second ball around the house. He's got skills.
Lincoln is older and wiser. He knows when to chill, when to engaage with me, it's almost like he can read my mind sometimes.
I own my dogs, they listen to me, but sometimes, they teach me things about myself and that's a great thing.
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apogee
climber
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I love dogs- we have two of them right now, and dogs have been a part of most of my life. They really are the best 'friends' one can have (and losing them is often more painful than many relationship breakups).
Still, it's fascinating how much 'human' behavior that people project into their dogs. Dogs have pretty basic needs, and it's not hard to satisfy them and make them happier than hell. Some are definitely brighter than others, but in the end, this only serves those basic needs. (Sure, there's obviously parallels in this regard with human behavior.)
The premise that they are calculating enough to manipulate and 'own' humans is just plain odd.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 5, 2012 - 09:43pm PT
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Most of them do not calculate it. it is just the way it is. It is so ingrained into your pscye that you are not even aware of it. The fact is though that you may never do anything without accounting for how it will affect your dog. The dog dictates where and when you will go to work and come home from work as well as what you will do before and after work, when you will go climbing and what you will climb, when you will come home from climbing and what you will do when you get home.... they even dictate where you will live.
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nature
climber
CO
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apogee - I think your argument somewhat fails because of semantics (of the word 'own').
An ex-gf gave me Ms. Summit because she thought I needed more responsibility in my life. Truth is I did. and Ms. Summit showed me that. Her presence in my life changed me - made me do things differently. And often times I did it for her or because of her. I was 'owned'. I don't see my definition as anthropomorphic.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Your just trolleing.
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