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gonzo chemist
climber
Fort Collins, CO
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"Billions of years of standing waist-deep in molten white-hot sulphur, while having invisible demons constantly poke you with sharp, pointy pitchforks, while they also devour your slowly-rotting flesh, one tiny bite after another."
bring it on, bitchez!
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Gene
climber
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"Billions of years of standing waist-deep in molten white-hot sulphur, while having invisible demons constantly poke you with sharp, pointy pitchforks, while they also devour your slowly-rotting flesh, one tiny bite after another."
Sounds like a typical day in my first marriage!
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Slabby D
Trad climber
B'ham WA
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Some might view Alex Honnolds exploits as as perfect example of why one should try and foster a well developed relationship with "god".
No doubt he feels an intense and profound sense of connection to the everything during and after his solos ( I know I do and I use a rope!) but look at what he has to do and risk to achieve that.
I think many people out there develop their own sense of connection to the universe through the divine. There's nothing wrong with that and that's where I think many of these modern day atheists get it so wrong.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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If religion is all about peace and righteousness, why is it the basis for most conflict?
Riddle me that.
I'll take science, please.
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nutjob
Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
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This started off as a simply-scoped short answer, but morphed into a stream of consciousness
Brandon, here's the short "world according to nutjob" version: People have a deep emotional need to feel accepted, to feel comforted, to feel taken care of. Religion is an institutionalized way to meet these basic human emotional needs, to satisfy what is not otherwise met through one's own beliefs and personal industry, one's family, work, or society. It creates a shared belief system to define a group that members are a part of, and the foundational beliefs provide comfort and a sense that someone else will provide for their wellbeing (spiritually if not physically). But some or many people in any large human organization will seek personal gain and use others' emotional needs to further their own objectives (e.g. money/power/control/pleasure).
If these belief systems take the easy route of excluding others to make the members feel accepted, then the very existence of a different set of beliefs that purports to be the truth triggers a life-or-death response. Even if a monoculture of the religon could be established, there would be off-shoots that reflect individual differences and preferences, and these would then be polarized into conflict because each system demands that it be the only right one. Judaism/christianity, sunni/shia, catholic/protestant, etc.
But now consider all these religious systems coexisting in a kind of game theory with different strategies running in parallel. Who do you think is going to become more prevalent in the world... those who say make lots of babies and go convert the world, or those who say "just hang out in harmony"?
So as a species, we are doomed to religious conflict until we can enforce a ban on religions that create identity by excluding others.
But by definition a group is a collection that is distinguished from others. So to avoid religious conflict we have to take away groups? What about that fundamental human need to feel a part of something?
So we help people feel a part of one big connected unified harmonious world, problem solved? Except for the human management of this organization, the inevitable power struggles and interpretations of what is the right way to handle things. And then you get splinter groups and different sects and we're back where we started.
Sometimes I wish I was a pot smoker. This would be a good time to take a hit and look out from a nice belay ledge and focus on simpler things like how cool the top of a sparrow looks.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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citibank execs gonna drop him, he's toxic
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steveA
Trad climber
bedford,massachusetts
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Nutjob-- NICE!
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jstan
climber
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BDoog appears to be a new avatar.
You know not what you do.
Search on "religion vs. science"
Consider deleting your OP so as to give Alex a break.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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I apologize for helping to further the crap on this thread.
Honnold is his own person.
Who the hell are we to critique his every movement?
He climbs well and lives his life however he likes. That's freedom.
Leave it at that, all the god sh#t is just that, sh#t.
Religion is a personal issue and our opining should not be written in Honnolds context.
Don't use someone else's story to propagate your opinions.
Climb on bro.
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WBraun
climber
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That's it now everybody git back in that closet.
Don't be comin out now .....
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Alex clearly indicated by his inclusion of his name that he wanted to do "missionary" work.
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Gene
climber
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Alex clearly indicated by his inclusion of his name that he wanted to do "missionary" work.
We can only respect that as an acceptable and common position and wish him well.
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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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ha Pat is an atheist too.
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Gene
climber
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The response that the name "atheist" is expedient because everyone knows the term is lame. It's time the world had a new name for those modern progressives or modern secular "elites" who because of their education in science and general modernity see beyond ancient theology (or theism) and its misconceptions if not superstitions for how the world and its life works.
Somebody get on this.
That rant is almost religious in its fervor. Can somebody give me an AMEN? HALLELUJAH!!
It’s all cool, Bro. LOL! You go your way. I'll go mine. When we meet, let's be friends.
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WBraun
climber
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So what have you ever climbed?
Besides being a constant preacher.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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What a person believes or doesn't believe is none of our business. Maybe someday Alex will have a "boundary experience" and he will get another take on himself, but that's none of our business as well. Putting value judgements on what believe or purport to know is the heart of ignorance IMO. People usually follow and are led by their direct experiences, whatever they are.
JL
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Truthdweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Okay, Im back...
Hey Brandon,
"If religion is all about peace and righteousness, why is it the basis for most conflict?"
Because its not about "peace and righteousness," but it has, is, and will bring separation...
" Luke 12:51-53 KJV
Jesus speaking: "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law."
...for you either believe, or you don't, there's no in-between...
James 1:8-18 KJV
"A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted: But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away. For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways. Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. Do not err, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures."
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WBraun
climber
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Go away you one dimensional freak .... ^^^^
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