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apogee
climber
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Feb 22, 2012 - 02:59pm PT
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Somebody should climb on top of that thing and leave a big steamer. Maybe after an overnight bivy.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Feb 22, 2012 - 03:04pm PT
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Now that would be a feat!
I'll bet that shithouse roof is tougher to summit than Headstone.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Feb 22, 2012 - 03:06pm PT
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"Because it's there!"
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Killer K
Boulder climber
Sacramento, CA
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Feb 22, 2012 - 03:07pm PT
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Why do they call it taking a dump when your not really taking it anywhere?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Feb 22, 2012 - 03:59pm PT
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That's right up there with the mystifying "rest room". With all the US' love for euphemisms, it's a puzzle. People may "rest" in the "rest room", but that's not why they go there.
We sometimes say "washroom" or "bathroom", which at least are usual activities in such places. Toilet is more accurate.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 22, 2012 - 04:01pm PT
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Toilet is more accurate.
I think 'loo' is also appropriate and more genteel.
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Tan Slacks
climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 22, 2012 - 04:23pm PT
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Too much!
I love Seth and he loves taking people out and showing them an amazing time. The man has boundless positive energy and to call him a "whiner" is to not know him..
but I loved Kos's scenario. you called it!
Of course it was deliberate. I just wonder how far ahead it was planned.
Was it:
"I'm gonna drive to JTree this weekend and sh#t on headstone"
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Or was it:
Climber 1: [Starts feeling the rumble while roping up at the base] I gotta untie and take a dump.
Climber 2: Ha ha, why not do it at the top?
Climber 1: That would be funny, huh?
Climber 2: Go for it, here's some TP, on belay...
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sethsquatch76
Trad climber
Joshua tree ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2012 - 09:53am PT
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People pooping everywhere really is not an issue...... That guy Seth is a whiny little bitch. Photo taken yesaterday.
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Mojomonkey
climber
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Feb 25, 2012 - 10:17am PT
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Toilet is a euphemism too
Curiously, however, there is no "real" word for the place where one deposits one's bodily wastes. "Toilet," which is now thought of as the "official" term, is itself a euphemism — originally, toilet was the process of dressing, as in, "the lady has just completed her toilet." Before toilet assumed its present meaning in the early twentieth century, the accepted technical term for the john was the vaguely disgusting but still euphemistic "bog-house." We thus have a thing for which there are polite terms and impolite terms, but no simply correct term — a situation which may well be unique in the English language.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Feb 25, 2012 - 10:30am PT
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ah, for just a little rain, to melt the TP and wash away the poop. but you got 8 inches of snow last week. stop complaining, seth.
Why do they call it taking a dump when your not really taking it anywhere?
an idiosyncratic colloquialism. when i worked for a language company, our italian translator just couldn't figure this out.
"what is this business about 'take a sh#t?' you don't 'take' a sh#t, you leave a sh#t."
explaining the deep structure of linguistic communication, i pointed out that pooping is essentially a pleasurable experience, despite the disagreeableness our society tends to associate with it. therefore, we're actually "taking pleasure" in a poop, or a whizz for that matter.
heck, the critters out there use it to mark territory and read the daily news, as when dogs, with something like 60 times the olfactory sensitivity of humans, check each other's hineys. (whatcha been eatin', bro? gimme some.)
just be glad you're getting work, seth. today's as#@&%es could be tomorrow's clients. i took to not coming down too hard on rowdies in the next campsite keeping me awake at night, for fear that they might be the people i'd meet in the morning at intersection rock.
somehow, i think the coyotes and bobcats will survive it all, as will the exotic red bromegrass. i would even suggest they take down the little stay-on-the-trail-to-the-crag signs and educate and encourage climbers to trample the nonnative stuff, which replaced most of the sweet indigenous grasses after the mchaney brothers' rustled cattle overgrazed real hidden valley. but it'd probably only spread the seeds.
good note there, mojo. yes, toilet, the "little toil" of beautification, now such a yucky word. and poor thomas crapper, inventor of the flush toilet, whose name, in a kind of reverse homage, is forever attached to the substance from which he so effectively insulated our nostrils. my first newspaper job involved considerable reporting on the local chamber of commerce. my elderly publisher wouldn't let me use the word "chamber" in a headline--it had to be "C of C". "chamber," for his generation, was too closely associated with the chamber pot.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Feb 25, 2012 - 10:53am PT
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it really isn't, dave. just washes off. you must be a charming fellow.
you see, flushing it down the toilet doesn't really get rid of it. if you put too much of it in the ground, it can get into the water table in spite of ground filtering. if you send it to the hyperion sewage plant, where all of los angeles' waste goes, it goes through great scientific miracles and out into santa monica bay, pacific ocean, where they recommend you don't eat the fish you might catch. it's just out of sight, out of mind.
what i suggest you do is to think of yourself in the same context as the coyotes out there, whose poop you see on every trail you walk. can i put some coyote poop on the hood of your car?
in spite of the fun you can have with it, i think this is a serious issue. josh is full of people and not enough outhouses, except for the tourons. it's a desert environment and easily impacted. i don't think public policy is realistic, and although the headstone incident is pretty outrageous, lots of people don't know what to do out there. in a discussion last year, a ranger noted that even peeing on vegetation might have some impact because it makes it salty and animals tend to rub themselves on it. is that a serious concern? i don't think so.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 26, 2012 - 09:46pm PT
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get out the photoshop,
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 26, 2012 - 10:45pm PT
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All i see is jolly green giant corn...? WTF...? RJ
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Feb 26, 2012 - 11:14pm PT
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Hey steelmnkey,
Was up there Friday (2/24) and not surprisingly saw much the same thing. WTF is wrong with people? Under slightly different circumstances I'd probably say that no climber would be stupid enough to do something like that.
Curt
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 26, 2012 - 11:31pm PT
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Locker...Your tin hat is blocking your reception....Move it a few degrees...RJ
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Feb 26, 2012 - 11:36pm PT
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pfft, this is nothing. Anyone remember the story of the dudes back in the day copse snatching the casket from the airport right under the polices eyes while totally stoned out of they're gords. Then taking out the Hesrt/casket combo platter containing the body of the famous rock star/songwiter Graham Parsons and nearly getting caught having an impromptu burnfest with the mans corpse and abruptly just leaving the 35lbs of charred debris behind when they ran from the cops?
Love hurts .....
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1390025
http://www.weirdus.com/states/california/cemetery_safari/graham_parsons/index.php
Parsons died on September 19, 1973, in Joshua Tree, California, at the age of 26 from an overdose of morphine and alcohol.[33][34] According to Fisher in the 2005 biography Grievous Angel: An Intimate Biography of Gram Parsons, the amount of morphine consumed by Parsons would be lethal to three regular users and thus he had likely overestimated his tolerance considering his experience with opiates. Fisher and McElroy were returned to Los Angeles by Kaufman, who dispersed the remnants of Parsons' stash in the desert.
Parsons' body disappeared from the Los Angeles International Airport where it was being readied to be shipped to Louisiana for burial. Prior to his death, Parsons stated that he wanted his body cremated at Joshua Tree and his ashes spread over Cap Rock, a prominent natural feature there; however, Parsons' stepfather arranged for a private ceremony back in New Orleans and neglected to invite any of his friends from the music industry.[34] Two accounts claim that Bob Parsons stood to inherit Gram's share of his grandfather's estate if he could prove that Gram was a resident of Louisiana, explaining his eagerness to have him buried there.[35][36]
To fulfill Parsons' funeral wishes, Kaufman and a friend stole his body from the airport and in a borrowed hearse drove it to Joshua Tree where they attempted to cremate it by pouring five gallons of gasoline into the open coffin and throwing a lit match inside. What resulted was an enormous fireball. Police chased them, but according to one account they "were unencumbered by sobriety" and the pair got away.[34] The two were arrested several days later. Since there was no law against stealing a dead body, they were only fined $750[37] for stealing the coffin and were not prosecuted for leaving 35 lbs of his charred remains in the desert.
1973 wuz weird. It wasn't all bad as we got the hell out of Vietnam that year.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Feb 26, 2012 - 11:37pm PT
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locker,
It's just above the dead-center of the photo. Looks like the TP has melted into it.
( get some glases, man )
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 27, 2012 - 01:26am PT
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What a cool idea...Crap on top of a route so that everyone else gets to see it...Lame...Not even funny....why did they change the name from balance to headstone...? RJ
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surfstar
climber
Santa Barbara, CA
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Feb 27, 2012 - 01:52am PT
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Question:
If it was the FA who did it, is it okay? Marking/claiming their route?
Surely a bolt is much longer lasting...
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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
Southwest for the winter
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Feb 27, 2012 - 05:48am PT
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Having not read this entire thread, I could be repeating, but at Red Rock they have installed Wag Bag Stations at the trailheads courtesy of the AAC and Desert Rock Sports--you grab a shitter on your way in, use it if need be, and if you don't use it, you can put it back.
I was super skeptical of these wag-bag setups till I was in a canyon with some clients and had no choice but to use one and I was really impressed with how well they worked. I always carry them now and I am always psyched to tell people how awesome they are--the TP is actually thin but its quality!
Its a pretty plush setup for the backcountry!
Steve Richert
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