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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 31, 2012 - 09:09pm PT
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Did you still hold the radio to your ear?
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Argon
climber
North Bay, CA
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Jan 31, 2012 - 09:17pm PT
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GGRNA is out of control. They have wasted tens of millions on unnecessary pork projects while clear cutting trees off of Hawk Hill and other areas. And they have been itching to get humans' best friend banned from the park. This action by this Nazi ranger is disgusting - but I guess not surprising. The Chronicle article did not identify her - but I hope that she gets fired (or at least transferred to BART). I'm rarely in favor of trial attorneys - but I wouldn't mind seeing GGNRA get hit with a huge lawsuit. They deserve it.
These incidents whittle away at our respect for law enforcement. We pay their salaries (and pensions and benefits). Many then abuse the pension, benefit and disability systems. How many LEO's really understand that they work for us? (OK, maybe fattrad - but name another.) Check out the SF Chronicle (www.sfgate.com). This story is the #1 most read story today with nearly 1,000 comments - the vast majority of which are outraged by this idiot ranger's behavior.
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David Knopp
Trad climber
CA
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fatty-you really don't believe that was appropriate, do you? Come on, common sense please! No threat-merely disrespect and walking away. Why even bother, give the a f*#king warning, call it good. Tasering? For walking dogs off leash in an on leash area-that'd be like tasering a jaywalker in the financial district. No one people hate and fear LEOs.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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If I issue a lawful request to a police officer - amd am ignored - can I taser the fool cop?
This ranger was simply angry at being disrespected. She needs to be fired, prosecuted, and made to complete an anger management course.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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She needs to be fired, prosecuted, and made to complete an anger management course
Yep.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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peace officer
Yeah, that bitch sounds pretty peaceful to me.
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Argon
climber
North Bay, CA
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Here is one reference to the victim telling the ranger about his heart condition:
http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/ranger-uses-stun-gun-man-walking-dogs-leash/nHQkB/
Look, I understand the point about not lying to law enforcement and not trying to flee (although it's not clear that's what this guy was doing), but LEO's have a duty to behave in a civil manner too. This wasn't a high crime area or DUI stop - it was a public space (owned by the people) where off-leash dog walking had been permitted for decades - until the very recent jurisdictional change gave control over to the misanthropic, dog-hating, tax dollar-wasting, petty bureaucrats at the GGNRA. The guy was walking two small dogs and put them back on the leash. He was probably stunned that this feminazi officer was even approaching him.
We have rampant crime and unsolved murders all over the Bay Area. If this trigger happy b*tch wanted to be a LEO and play Dirty Harry (or Johannes Mehserle), then she should do some good and go fight some real bad guys. Take on some gangbangers or drug cartels (or Wall Street) - but leave people walking their dogs in our parks alone.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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If he didn't scoop his poop he deserved it.
Just kidding.
Bust her.
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Argon
climber
North Bay, CA
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Perhaps the guy thought he was still in the sanctuary city of San Francisco where, at least if you are here illegally, you don't have to give your real name.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Exclusive of what the officer said, it was the witness's who watched it do down, fatty, who seemed to think it was bullsh#t. See, a thing can be legal and still be wrong. To those who were there, this seemed wrong. He asked her why he was being detained several times. No one suggests that he acted aggressively at all at any time, then gets the shock as he starts to walk off. We heard the officers version, and will most likely hear his when he initiates litigation.
Witnesses said the use of a stun gun and the arrest seemed excessive for someone walking two small dogs off leash.
"It was really scary," said Michelle Babcock, who said she had seen the incident as she and her husband were walking their two border collies. "I just felt so bad for him." Babcock said Hesterberg had repeatedly asked the ranger why he was being detained. She didn't answer him, Babcock said. "He just tried to walk away. She never gave him a reason," Babcock said. The ranger shot Hesterberg in the back with her shock weapon as he walked off, Babcock said.
"We were like in disbelief," she said. "It didn't make any sense."
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/01/30/MN921N0LQT.DTL#ixzz1lAJdWeHV
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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fattrad - of course you're right, but you also know that's not the story that will stick with people.
People will remember "Cop Tasers man for walking his dog"
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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I've always been under the impression that LEOs are not supposed to do things like taze people or crush knees with a baton unless there is some physical resistance or public endangerment?
If a ranger asked me my name and I said "officer, my name is Douglas Fir," could he/she just whip out stun gun and and send me into a dirt nap?
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Different agencies have different use of force continuum (see:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_force_continuum);. The taser should only be used in certain circumstances according to that.
I don't know that particular agency's UoF continuum, but I seriously doubt that 'giving false info' allows the use of a taser legally. It could be that walking away rose to the level of the ability to use the taser. It'd be nice to see that agency's UoF policy to know for sure if the officer acted within departmental policy. (Even if legally okay, it seems lame to me if we have the full story here).
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ME Climb
climber
Behind the Orange Curtain
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Fatty is right. The original reason for the contact is no leash. The guy then gave false info to police PC 148.9 then tried to walk away PC 148(a)(1)-resist obstruct delay police. Whether or not you think original reason for stop is bs or not the guy chose to make minor infraction into misdemeanor. Case decision after case decision has ruled that an officer may use force to make an arrest. I have NEVER seen a use of force that is not very ugly and violent. Even control holds or pulling someone down to the ground is violent. Tasers are considered less lethal force. All of the studies I have seen show that tasers under normal conditions will not effect the heart including those with pacemakers. Most (if not all) deaths after taser use have come from the so called "excited dellirium" factor....basically those cases involved people on cns stimulants (coke, meth, etc) became involved in major fights and had their hearts blow up.
Every agencies use of force policies are different. Every cop has a split second to decide what force should be used. Every cops personal experience and training will decide what type of force they will use.
The taser is a tool, sometimes the right tool, sometimes not. It is based on the circumstances and how you are able to articulate it.
With use of force you can do anything as long as you can articulate why that amount of force was neccessary. My favorite example is you can stick a pen in a guys eye...if you were justifiably fearful for your safety or the safety of others and that is what you to use.
Like I said in my earlier post... I would not have handled it the same way. My way, habeous grabous, would have most likely resulted in more injuries to the other person and myself.
Eric
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Fattrad- do you have a copy of their UofF continuum? Some agencies make it available online.
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dmons
climber
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the title of this event is "rabbid cop shoots old man in the back"
someone should have clubbed her like a baby seal on the spot
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Most (if not all) deaths after taser use have come from the so called "excited dellirium" factor....basically those cases involved people on cns stimulants (coke, meth, etc) became involved in major fights and had their hearts blow up.
Total and COMPLETE bullshit right there. You're either woefully misinformed, or lying.
Every cop has a split second to decide what force should be used.
F*#king 100% delusional. I pray to god that you don't actually hold a badge and the ability to implement your f*#ked up worldview on the rest of us. "Split second"..because the guy could walk away at the speed of sound? F*#k you and your ball cupping of tools.
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