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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Nov 26, 2011 - 03:29pm PT
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Dang Fish.
If it weren't for LED lights you wouldn't light up your Christmas tree so nicely and affordably.
Not to many incandescent Christmas tree lights out there these days.
Also they are safer. LEDs don't get hot, unlike incandescents.
(I think we got trolled big time. He probably has LEDs throughout his and the wife's house already.)
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Russ Walling
Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 26, 2011 - 03:33pm PT
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If it weren't for LED lights you wouldn't light up your Christmas tree so nicely and affordably.
The way forward..... no LED's here. Shalom.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Nov 26, 2011 - 03:50pm PT
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hey there say, philo...
as to this quote, part:
We are still a decade behind the Europeans in the use of them.
yeah, i did not know this...but when i bought two weird looking bulbs for the basement, so i'd not have to keep replacing them, for long term use, i learned this from my friend in england...
she said they don't sell a regular old lightbulb in her country, anymore...
i still liked the regular light bulbs, they light up the room nice and fast... and i can't buy such high pricey stuff... so that was hard buy...
but, as another friend of mine said:
her ceiling is SO HIGH UP and she lives alone, she finally bought two weird ones as well, being that they last in the "year catagory" instead of the shorter times we are used to, and she does not need to:
call some family member, hard to get, to replace the high-up bulbs...
she was just tired of being in the dark for long...
*landord never even gets out there to change them, :(
*course, we are night-owls, kind-of-sort-of...
;)
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Russ Walling
Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 26, 2011 - 03:58pm PT
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Do people still actually use the old round ones?
Real Americans still try to.
Russ what about 'rough duty' bulbs
Sounds like a great alternative to the LEB
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 26, 2011 - 04:02pm PT
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Real Americans are stupid. Just ask Werner when FoX goes into Commercial break.
My guess is that FuX Noise must be railing against doing the right thing again.
No other explanation for the same hackneyed dupes spewing the same misinformation about LEDs.
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Russ Walling
Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 26, 2011 - 04:06pm PT
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Why do you hate America Philo?
I just want a good bulb that is made in the USA, has a long life, and is a good value. LED's are not that animal. Ask someone in the "trades" about LED's. The story is not flattering, and that is coming from real electricians and builders. Two words on LED's: SCAM.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 26, 2011 - 04:06pm PT
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Sounds like a great alternative to the LEB
Does the LEB cast light on anything?
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 26, 2011 - 04:14pm PT
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Russ I am in the trades. High end lighting is my speciality. I've worked with the products every day for over ten years.
No other light bulb will out last or cost less to operate than an LED. To say otherwise indicates a lack of information or deliberate disingenuousness.
And you can buy them made in the USA. Most CFL and standard incandescent bulbs are made in Communist China. Your argument is false and foolish.
Love Gas, as a artist and lighting designer I will tell you the very best color spectrum will still come from halogen lamps. The worst color spectrum comes from florescent lamps. In addition to which florescent lighting is notorious for setting off fatigue, depression and seizures in people. and they are a hazardous waste nightmare. While LEDs are not yet perfect they have advanced remarkable in the last 5 years. Further acceptance by the US market will not only save enormous amounts of energy but will also propel product development. Lots of galleries and museums are transitioning to LED because they cause no light damage to art work. There are some fantastic gallery quality products on the market now. They will only get better. Coverage is the key for art.
PM me and I can forward some product info to you.
You can listen to me as a man who has installed more systems than I can remember. Or you can listen to noobs who are lucky to know how to turn a light on.
Speaking of China... Their quality control sucks! I have seen whole case lots of incandescent bulbs from china that failed in the first hour of use. Additionally the cheap lighting instruments they market are so poorly designed and built that it cost the customers more to have me re-engineer them than it does to install them. For the record the nicest light systems come from Canada and Germany.
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Russ Walling
Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 26, 2011 - 04:21pm PT
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Russ I am in the trades. High end lighting is my speciality.
Being a salesman for overpriced lighting is not doing the end user any favors, and is nothing to brag about. Gouging hard working Americans by recommending an overpriced not ready for market fantasy is poor form. Who needs a $140 LED fixture in the closet when a nice $2.00 bulb will work just as good and give better light?
Edit: Jingy: what sort of bulbs do you use to light your parents basement?
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Nov 26, 2011 - 04:36pm PT
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Beware the CFL
When CFL twisty bulbs burn out it would be normal to think they are not
drawing any more power but you'd be wrong. The ones I've measured still
were sucking 9 watts although the bulb was dark. ( 26watts when still ok)
Civilizations increasing complexity equaling 'progress' has its downside.
Sometimes it seems we're approaching Rube-Goldberg ridiculousness for doing
some things?
No visible mercury inside so they may be right about the tiny amount.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 26, 2011 - 04:37pm PT
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Your deluded Russ. Comparing a light fixture to a bulb is moronic. To assume I am gouging customers is offensive in extremes. I am a designer and installer NOT a salesman. And FYI I don't upcharge for my materials. My customers pay what I pay. I am the fairest electrician in the area.
I am the only one in the trades in Boulder that gives a huge discount on my labor to teachers and other public servants. Do you in give discounts of your work to anyone or are you an equal opportunity gouger?
I strive to reduce costs even for my millionaire customers. And to make the ignorant statement that LED lighting isn't ready for market yet only demonstrates your lack of knowledge.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 26, 2011 - 04:42pm PT
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Hey Skipt you are out of your element little penis go back to bed.
Being offensive to you is just good sport. I am not offensive to customers. My clients have total respect for me.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Nov 26, 2011 - 04:44pm PT
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Yeah Russ and Lcoker....ya can't buy cassette tapes, 8 tracks, transistor radios, wooden pipes, swami belts, a clean hooker, cheap labor, a car YOU can work on, jingus bud, cheap GUD beer, a slim body, get over it, we're OLD and times are ah changin'.
Peace
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Nov 26, 2011 - 04:45pm PT
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That nice $2.00 light bulb will use $200.00 of electricity, well probably not before it has to be replaced, maybe a couple of bulbs down the road.
Your argument is false and foolish.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 26, 2011 - 04:57pm PT
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^^^ As useless as TITS on a Boar Hog ^^^
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Nov 26, 2011 - 04:59pm PT
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Russ and Locker's "arguments" are NEVER false or foolish! Wise and truthful....well that last one is false and foolish! Just old farts blowing snanky wind. Some of the wisest words I've ever heard have come from Russ' chops most notable back in the late 70's and early 80's pontificating to the rangers in Jtree!
Peace
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 26, 2011 - 05:05pm PT
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I have no wish to embrace an LEB light.
The battery on my Wonderlight is running low though.
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Nov 26, 2011 - 05:06pm PT
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As usual, skippy goes for a personal attack instead of getting into an intellectual discussion. Poor skippy, he can't win either.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 26, 2011 - 05:08pm PT
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Ron I remember the old Wonderlight. We used to quip it was a Wonder it lit.
Edited to add for blowthing...
As usual, blurring goes for a personal attack instead of getting into an intellectual discussion. Poor blurring, he can't win either.
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