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Russ Walling
Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 26, 2011 - 11:56am PT
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It's a bulb buying nightmare. HomeDepot no longer really has real lights, ie: incandescent bulbs. They are pushing the garish glow of LED's at maximum $$$$ per lumen.
WTF happened to the good old CFL, the light that makes the pinkos happy? Cheap to buy, runs forever, economical power usage, and pleasing light? Now I'm being funneled into a low lumen output, expensive, unflattering spectrum, unproven technology disaster.
There is a fix though: Walmart. They are still selling good olde fashioned real bulbs, at bargain prices. Stock up my droogs, before the MAN forces some overpriced sadness down your throat.
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nature
climber
back in Tuscon Aridzona....
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Nov 26, 2011 - 11:59am PT
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the CFL has mercury so the hippies have their panties all in a bunch.
eBay?
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caughtinside
Social climber
Davis, CA
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Nov 26, 2011 - 12:00pm PT
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Those LEB lights cast a sickly pallor on life. Great for headlamps, suck ass for everything else. The 1% is shoving them down our throats, but I ain't buying!!
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Nov 26, 2011 - 12:05pm PT
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uh...
You can thank the free market for your limited choice?
no... wait.... free market should provide more choice...
but not in this case....
Capitalism wins.
Get over it.
Boviation will get us know where
Abraham Lincoln used to read by candle light.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 26, 2011 - 12:06pm PT
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Yeah, LEDs as a source or workable light is not good at all. A light-emitting-diode was never meant to be a primary light source. To try to make it so is lame.
Learn to love the filament.
Side-note: Tubes kick AsSS$$SSsss!!! Ever hear a Mesa Boogie tube-amp?? Why you wanna use a stupid transistor when tubes are so sweet...or warm??
Don't f*#k up what ain't broken.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 26, 2011 - 12:13pm PT
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As a lighting designer I have to say that not only are CFL lights an enviromental nightmare but they are the worst spectrum lights on the market.
Get used to it LED lights are the future.
Once the US market accepts them they will be improved.
If you amortize the cost over the life of the bulb they are the cheapest lights on the market.
High end lighting is almost all led now.
We are still a decade behind the Europeans in the use of them.
And they are vastly superior environmentally. And by that I mean personal space and world space.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 26, 2011 - 12:14pm PT
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Tijuana's only 90 minutes away.
You can get anything you want down there.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Nov 26, 2011 - 12:18pm PT
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Drink the Koolaid Russ. LOL.
BTW, when LEDs come down in price (and they will get cheaper and better) they will be a game changer for our country, the environment and the whole world. Till then, stock up ....
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Nov 26, 2011 - 12:25pm PT
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Those twisted florescent bulbs seem to go bad quite quickly. I have one that is a ring in my garage that has been going for well over 10 years.
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chez
Social climber
chicago ill
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Nov 26, 2011 - 12:27pm PT
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What, are you finally getting back to Whitmore?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 26, 2011 - 12:29pm PT
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LED's rock for under-cabinet lighting - wouldn't use anything else. They
come in two spectrums and at 3/8 x 5/16 X 8" or 12" can be routed into the
bottom of the uppers. RADNESS!
I agree they do have some downsides for normal uses. It is like everything
else these days - those elitist tree-huggers are just making life more expensive
for the 99%. Luckily, I work for the 1%.
Shouldn't this be on the Grumpy Old Men thread?
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Nov 26, 2011 - 12:36pm PT
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Oh look....
Skipette is getting all legislative on me and sh#t...
Check out who the sponsor was?
Representative Joe Barton.............. R - TX
H.R.91
Latest Title: Better Use of Light Bulbs Act
Sponsor: Rep Barton, Joe [TX-6] (introduced 1/5/2011) Cosponsors (69) Related Bills: H.R.2417, S.395
Latest Major Action: 2/1/2011 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Energy and Power.
I'm at a loss...
Has this bill been reviewed beyond the subcommittee?
I'm not sure that it has..
Hey, mr legislation.... what else you got?
You may want to do a touch more research on a subject before you mouth off.
Then again, there is that other HR bill:
H.R.2417
Latest Title: Better Use of Light Bulbs Act
Sponsor: Rep Barton, Joe [TX-6] (introduced 7/6/2011) Cosponsors (35)
Related Bills: H.R.91, S.395
Latest Major Action: 7/12/2011 Failed of passage/not agreed to in House. Status: On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill Failed by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 233 - 193, 1 Present (Roll no. 563).
Latest Action: 7/12/2011 Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.
Which failed to be passed...
And then there is the Senate's bill:
S.395
Latest Title: Better Use of Light Bulbs Act
Sponsor: Sen Enzi, Michael B. [WY] (introduced 2/17/2011) Cosponsors (29)
Related Bills: H.R.91, H.R.2417
Latest Major Action: 3/10/2011 Senate committee/subcommittee actions. Status: Committee on Energy and Natural Resources. Hearings held.
Which is stuck in subcommittee...
....0 for 3....
This is what I commonly refer to as a dumb ass republican.
Plain and simple
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Nov 26, 2011 - 12:41pm PT
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Spkippetto,
again... did you read?
Nothing has been foisted upon us, dummy.
Nothing has been written into law.
Plus, its one of your f*#ked up republican representative that's doing all the foisting.
but, you may be dimmer than me, as you still think that something has changed.sad little female
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 26, 2011 - 12:49pm PT
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LOL! another petard foisting of Skippledeeedoodahs reality.
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J. Werlin
Social climber
Cedaredge, CO
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Nov 26, 2011 - 12:49pm PT
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Just bought all the bulbs (CFL's) for a 1200 sq. ft. home we are just completing. The Grand Junction Home Cheapo had plenty. (?)
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 26, 2011 - 12:52pm PT
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^^^ BUMMER ^^^
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Nov 26, 2011 - 12:53pm PT
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I like my LEDs.
I have nearly replaced all lights in the house now with LEDs. You can get LEDs that give the near spectrum of incandescent lights now. They usually have plastic yellow filters the LEDs emit light through.
Embrace LEDs and watch your KWhrs reduce big time. Save lots of $$$$ in the long run.
Yes, expensive for now up front (they don't have to be really, the price should be coming down) but they will last much longer than any CFLs.
No Mercury issues to deal with.
Embrace LEDs.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 26, 2011 - 12:54pm PT
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^^^ AWESOME ^^^
At one of the local lighting supply houses I recently saw an awesome demonstration of LED lighting efficiency. Three equivalent bulbs 1 incandescent, 1 CFL and 1 LED all wired through a standard electric meter. When running the incandescent lamp had the meter spinning at high speed. The CFL slowed the spin considerably. But the LED light had the meter almost motionless. Couple that energy savings with the fact that CFLs are an expensive to produce toxic hazardous waste product and it is clear LEDs are the way to go. Whether you like them or not they are the future.
If you converted a standard 2400 sq ft home to all LED lighting you could run all your lighting 24/7 and still pay substantially less for electricity than any other lighting source.
The Price Point argument is a red herring as the true cost comes in energy savings, reduced maintenance and longevity.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 26, 2011 - 12:56pm PT
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Yes, expensive for now up front (they don't have to be really, the price should be coming down) but they will last much longer than any CFLs.
Yeah, but how do they compare with incandescants? WTF is wrong with them???
The CFL bulb is a typical excercise in liberal do-gooding and doing very badly in the end.
F*#king pinkos!
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