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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 17, 2011 - 07:37pm PT
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Well Ricardo,
like I said. Once I got some space I fired into the ground and that was enough.
But I've been bit 3 times and am losing all tolerance, and DON'T consider trying to chase down and beat a dog an attractive option.
I try to warn the owner if there is time, buuuuuuut;
If it is a danger BANG!
(save a few rounds for the aftermath)
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Ricardo Cabeza
climber
All Over.
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Jan 17, 2011 - 07:42pm PT
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So, I thought about where this discussion went because of my reactionary statements.
I apologize, y'all hit a raw nerve saying that dogs don't have a place in the wilds like we do.
FWIW, I don't take my dogs to busy areas, and I always have a leash ready. My dogs respond to voice commands and have NEVER been aggressive to anyone. Heck, if someone broke into my house, they'd bark and then try to lick the intruder to death. Labs are good like that.
Anyway, I'm not an as#@&%e and I apologize for acting like one.
Brandon-
My dogs will continue to go on adventures with me however.
Edit;
FYI - pets on trails, and in areas other than like campgrounds, in National Parks is outlawed.
Yes it is. I obey the rules.
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R.B.
Big Wall climber
Land of the Lahar
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Jan 17, 2011 - 07:47pm PT
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Ricardo, I hear you.
You sound like a responsible dog owner, and of course, I was being reactionary myself from my anger of being bitten by an unleashed dog and a clueless dog owner saying "well he's never bitten anyone before." There is always a first!
If one is a climber up on the stone, and their dog runs unleashed along the base, and said dog bites a 6 year old ... get my drift?
Peace On, Climb On!
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blackbird
Trad climber
the flat water trails...
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 17, 2011 - 07:52pm PT
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Dogs can be unpredictable...
Even "Well behaved" ones... True.
My standard answer when asked by anyone if my dog bites is, "Yes. She's a dog. All dogs bite under the right circumstances." Now, that's not to say she will (little GoofballFruitBat is afraid of her own flippin' shadow, fer cryin' out loud), but she IS and will always be a dog, and it's in a dog's nature to bite, ergo...
Leave Jerry Springer on the TV for them... LOL!
Now just hand me my walker and I'll teach that mutt a lesson it'll never forget Where were you yesterday, Anders!?!?!
Many States have "Leash Laws"... True, and TN is one such state, and for the generally speaking,folks around here are actually fairly compliant, at least within the city where it's more obviously more crowded. That said, (oh GAWD am I really going down this road??) a lot of the grousing I hear about the local leash laws generally comes from younger (late teens/20's and early 30ish) folks who have moved down south from other places.
Maybe with the acquisition of walkers and canes comes a modicum of reason and at least an understanding of where the rules and regs come from?? Then again, mayhapse I'm being a bit of a Pollyanna???
I dunno...
Anders, if you can't find your walker next weekend don't come lookin' for it down south!
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R.B.
Big Wall climber
Land of the Lahar
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Jan 17, 2011 - 07:55pm PT
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Blackbird, I guess your thread has struck a nerve, and it is a touchy subject. That looked like a pretty bad bite, and I hope it healed well.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 17, 2011 - 07:57pm PT
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Funny.
Ricardo sounds like a responsible dog owner. No prob.
But the comments about labs (some of my favorite dogs) are ironic if one considers that the stats say that THEY account for the most number of bites at the ER.
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Ricardo Cabeza
climber
All Over.
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Jan 17, 2011 - 07:59pm PT
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So that will make me rue the day?
No Tami, I was speaking about a negative reaction towards my dog when he comes up, tail wagging, giving little whiny yelps of love to a passerby.
I was overreacting to the broad generalization that ALL dogs should be left at home.
You guys should meet my mongrels, they're pretty darn awesome!
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R.B.
Big Wall climber
Land of the Lahar
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Jan 17, 2011 - 08:02pm PT
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I have climbed with countless partners that have brought the dog to the crag. Out of respect to my partners, I kept silent. Just don't want somebody being bitten by a dog at the crags. Not a good thing, regardless of the politics. Just food for thought.
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Ricardo Cabeza
climber
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Jan 17, 2011 - 08:02pm PT
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But the comments about labs (some of my favorite dogs) are ironic if one considers that the stats say that THEY account for the most number of bites at the ER.
Ron, I hadn't heard that one. I wonder if it's commensurate with the population of labs, as they seem to be one of the most popular breeds.
Training is everything with dogs, and I take pride in how I've raised mine.
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blackbird
Trad climber
the flat water trails...
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 17, 2011 - 08:03pm PT
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If one is a climber up on the stone, and their dog runs unleashed along the base, and said dog bites a 6 year old ... get my drift?
Exactly the point I tried to make yesterday after I got bit, and the clueless owner's response was, "I try to watch her. She usually does that to men; she's never done it to women." added to, "She's friendly 90% of the time."
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R.B.
Big Wall climber
Land of the Lahar
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Jan 17, 2011 - 08:08pm PT
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It's the clueless owner that I think I really direct my anger at!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 17, 2011 - 08:09pm PT
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Maybe Ricardo.
Maybe labs are just really effective when they bite.
Maybe they have a secret deal and get kickbacks from ObamaCare.
(They ARE pretty smart)
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 17, 2011 - 08:14pm PT
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Ricardo, I empathize with you, as I like dogs very much. However, as a professional that has to deal with dog bites, and has made many, many reports on dogs biting children in particular, I also appreciate that there is an unpredictability to dogs. all dogs. The only dogs I would TEND to trust would be HIGHLY trained dogs that have been exceptionally well trained(Professionally?), and respond 100% of the time.
I can think of only one dog I've backpacked with. Voice controlled so well (a competitor), that if you told him to "stay", you got the impression that he'd still be sitting there a year later. He was, an hour later.
I would never allow a dog to run on a trail out of my sight, as that means that they may encounter another person, out of my control.
What you may not appreciate is that there are some people who have very serious allergies...some life-threatening...to dogs, and they are scared to death, due to experiences they HAVE HAD. THESE DID NOT INVOLVE ATTACKS.
But, they are terrified, none the less. Dogs, even passive dogs, react to this, and it can trigger an attack, when it would otherwise never happen. This is not the dogs fault, this is not the person's fault, THIS IS THE DOG OWNER'S FAULT, because they were not controlling their animal, which is THEIR obligation. About 20% of the population has allergies to dogs, although most are not serious. Most of them know it, and most of them don't want to be around a dog, as they don't want a reaction to ruin their day.
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rincon
Trad climber
SoCal
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Jan 17, 2011 - 08:20pm PT
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Wonder what caused it to want to bite you?
I've never had a problem with anyones dogs.
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Ricardo Cabeza
climber
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Jan 17, 2011 - 08:22pm PT
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Is the outdoors conducive to triggering an allergic reaction? I have friends that don't want my dogs in their house, but love to hike with them.
All that said, many of you are writing from urban areas. I won't bring my animals to cities or any area where there are lots of people.
I live five miles from a town of 2000 people. I don't let my dogs charge ahead on trails. They listen, their training was intense enough that they will not disobey me.
Maybe we're talking apples and oranges.
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rincon
Trad climber
SoCal
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Jan 17, 2011 - 08:25pm PT
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I don't let my do go out of sight on a trail, because I don't want her to be eaten by a mountain lion. But she's smart, she's an Aussie...not a normal dog. Hehe.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jan 17, 2011 - 08:25pm PT
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One difficulty is that many dog owners say that the dog is trained, harmless, will obey orders, etc but it's either a wishful or self-serving belief, or an outright lie. Added to that, it's not readily apparent which dogs (and owners) are properly trained. No obvious visual or aural evidence, especially when owner and dog are separated.
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blackbird
Trad climber
the flat water trails...
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 17, 2011 - 08:26pm PT
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Blackbird, I guess your thread has struck a nerve, and it is a touchy subject. That looked like a pretty bad bite, and I hope it healed well.
yeah, I shoulda known it going in that the subject matter was gonna be controversial, but dayumn... I got freakin' BIT!!!
It happened yesterday around 3ish, so the pic you see is just over 24 hours apres bite; got it tended to decently quick considering where we were. It's healing and it'll be fine. Thank you.
I just don't know what pizzez me off more: the apathetic attitude of the owner or the location of the bite. I'm not short (5'8); that dog jumped from the uphill side of me, but still...
Apologies, all, for touching off a maelstrom...
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Ricardo Cabeza
climber
All Over.
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Jan 17, 2011 - 08:27pm PT
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An aside, I'm writing this with one of my dogs at my side (the younger). He has a piece of steak from dinner in front of him and has been waiting five minutes for me to tell him it's OK to eat it.
Good boy!
It's all in the training.
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rincon
Trad climber
SoCal
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Jan 17, 2011 - 08:29pm PT
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You feed your dog steak?
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