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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber

San Francisco, Ca

Oct 18, 2010 - 05:47pm PT

Here in the new world, we rotate photos.

Brokedownclimber

Trad climber

Douglas, WY

Oct 18, 2010 - 05:52pm PT

What is really sad is a thread was started to attack 2 members for their posts! It may be "fun" for the attackers, but not so "fun" for the attackee. JMHO!

Dave

Mountain climber

the ANTI-fresno

Oct 18, 2010 - 06:24pm PT

"There is ONE who knows everything always ..... "

Buddha?

Yahweh?

Allah?

The hole-y trilogy (that's three, actually)?

Mistofelles?

Which ONE is it??? I'm so confused? There are so many ONES, I'm not sure which ones really knows everything? Or does each of them know part of everything? HELP????

Klimmer

Mountain climber

San Diego

Oct 18, 2010 - 06:36pm PT

Boy, how many times do I have to answer this question?

You people must think I stand up in front of the classroom and preach, talk about 9-11, the NWO, and Aliens? I can't ever talk about these things, even when asked.

Ok, I have been able to tell a student to watch Dr. Kaku (well known physics prof.) on the network news talk about the possibility of Aliens and Leslie Kean's book when the student asked what I thought about aliens. All I can say is look into it on your own, because I can't talk about stuff like that.

We can talk about the possibilities of life in the Universe and the science behind it. I can talk about the very strong possibility of microbial life on Mars and the facts and evidence for that, and I do, but that is about it.

Yes, we teachers do know there are things we can not talk about and we don't. It really isn't the time or place. It isn't a problem. Seperation of Church and State. School is supposed to be a place of learning, and learning within a safe environment. No teacher wants to scare their students. My students don't know that I have strong faith or no faith. They ask, I don't say. I just let the way I treat others speak for itself -- The Golden Rule.

We have Standards to Teach: I teach Physics and Earth Science. We stick to the standards people. We have to. We are accountable for them. We only have so much limited time to do so.

This is what I teach. See Physics and Earth Science:
http://www.cde.ca.gov/be/st/ss/documents/sciencestnd.pdf

I come here to ST to let my hair down and sometimes (hopefully) to communicate with adults (and others), who have similiar interests and who ask similiar questions.

What is the line from the song by the Police?

"I have come here seeking knowledge. About all the things that they can't teach me of in college."

All public teachers have to abide by set norms, rules, and guidelines. Anyone crossing that line is out of work. You all should know this by now.

monolith

climber

Berkeley, CA

Oct 18, 2010 - 06:49pm PT

No one in this thread said you did, Klimmer.

The discussion was that the you were harmless, as long as you were not teaching kids about conspiracies.

Klimmer

Mountain climber

San Diego

Oct 18, 2010 - 07:16pm PT

Well Rokjox, those of similiar minds great.

Those others, well not so great.

We got em all here though, that is for sure.

MisterAnswers

Social climber

Ark on the Moon

Oct 18, 2010 - 07:42pm PT

Question: Should anyone be concerned that Klimmer is a Science Teacher based on his contributions to the ST forum?

Answer: You bet! Not based on his strong belief in the Christian Bible or crazy conspiracy theories. He claims he keeps this out of the classroom. But the concern would be his lack of understanding of the scientific method, poor skills in critical reasoning and logic (basic to science), and weak grammar and English skills.

By the way: it is "separation" not "seperation".

EDIT:

I believe that he is basically an ethical/moral individual from his posts here.

I don't disagree with this statement.

Brokedownclimber

Trad climber

Douglas, WY

Oct 18, 2010 - 07:53pm PT

I personally would rather have someone like Klimmer teach my children than lots of others; I believe that he is basically an ethical/moral individual from his posts here. That is also important; one of the things we seem to ask teachers these days is to become surrogate parents for the "little darlings" for a major portion of the day.

As an aside, there are some well-respected scientists with views that some here would consider....strange.

rick d

climber

ol pueblo, az

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 18, 2010 - 08:22pm PT

Klimmer

Mountain climber

San Diego

Oct 18, 2010 - 10:35pm PT

MisterAnswers (aka Ark on the Moon),

Yipeeeeeee, lucky me, I have a new one after me or is it just the same one with a new avatar and name? Note the "Ark on the Moon."

Seems suspiciously similar to other criticisms of a particular poster here on ST. Always concerned about the grammar and spelling. Wow, like ST is some peer reviewed scientific journal. C'mon give it a break. It is a climber's forum. Man, why not edit the entire www? Might want to get on that. Someone is screwing up the English language right about now.

Why hide? That is the epitome of chicken. This seems like the same bunk criticisms of Dr. MB, if I'm not mistaken. If this isn't Dr. MB, then I will apologize and wonder who this really is, in complete mystery (sarcasm). Apparently I have another leg humper. Man this gets old.

Yea, yea, yea, and you would ridicule Aristotle, Copernicus, Galileo, Tycho Brahe, Johannes Kepler, Newton and others who did great science and had faith. When does it end? Not that I'm putting myself in that class, just that there are those who do science, and those who make scientific discoveries, and in addition have strong religious faith. I'm sure you would have to agree, Newton was a nut for publishing the following book. Are you going to deny this?

In the end someone is gonna be right.

Personally, I think he was brilliant, and brave for not going with the flow or crowd. He was an original thinker. Thought outside the box, and often. Let the scientific method guide his thinking. But often did the scientific method backwards. Experiments first and then hypotheses leading to discovery.

Even the Good Book celebrates Newton and Einstein:

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Oct 19, 2010 - 12:59am PT

So, Klimmer, what is this and where is it?

Hint: No conspiracy was involved.

Brokedownclimber

Trad climber

Douglas, WY

Oct 19, 2010 - 01:14am PT

Looks a lot like a suppository for base jumpers? No? :)

MisterAnswers

Social climber

Ark on the Moon

Oct 19, 2010 - 01:24am PT

Yea, yea, yea, and you would ridicule Aristotle, Copernicus, Galileo, Tycho Brahe, Johannes Kepler, Newton and others who did great science and had faith.

Apparently we need to add "poor reading comprehension" to the list of concerns! Your faith was not questioned and nothing was said about any inability of men and women of faith to carry out science. The concerns stated were about lack of knowledge of the methods of these fine scientists listed above.

My day job is evaluating teachers (and principals) and I have been doing it now for 31 years. The decline in English and spelling skills of US K-12 teachers is striking and very unfortunate as it is now reflected in several generations of students.

Klimmer

Mountain climber

San Diego

Oct 19, 2010 - 09:58am PT

Should I know this monument? So what? Looks like it is back East?

????

I suppose I could figure it out but why does it matter?

Mike Bolte

Trad climber

Planet Earth

Oct 19, 2010 - 11:20am PT

Hey Klimmer - not me, MisterAnswers is a new (or perhaps recycled as you suggest) admirer. You have probably noticed that I have no problem questioning your thinking process and correcting your spelling and grammar under my real name! A few weeks back I posted on one of these threads and your response indicated that you did not understand my points at all. I decided to give up and have not even been following any of these. Someone wrote me a note last night and asked "are you MisterAnswers" with a link to here so I checked in. I pretty much agree with everything MA has to say by the way.

A couple of entries up I see that you misinterpreted MAs comments too. The huge chip on your shoulder about your faith jumped right in the way and prevented you from listening it seems. You also did the same thing to Ed H. on the other active Klimmer thread. MA and Ed did not say that people of faith could not be scientists, you chose to read that into their posts. Makes me think that MA may be on to something with his comment about your goal being to be persecuted for your faith.

Carry on.

Klimmer

Mountain climber

San Diego

Oct 19, 2010 - 01:26pm PT

MB,

My apologies.

Yiiipppeeeeeeeee. Woooooooo Hoooooooooo. Lucky me. I got 3 riding my case on the ST forum now. Ed. H, Mike Bolte, and MisterAnswers. How can I possibly be so lucky? Man, I must be pushing some buttons.

First of all grammar and spelling don't really count on a public forum. Yes, I should be more vigilant and use spell checker. Big whoop.

This is not peer-reviewed science here either. ST is not a science journal. It is healthy, free thinking speculation. In other words generated hypotheses. Educated guesses.

Do you disagree with my guesses? Sure. Do you have your own? Maybe. But some of you don't even want to consider any alternatives other than the very sceptical, the very accepted, the very traditional and the very non-controversial guesses. Can you ever think outside the box? No wonder we do not make rapid gains in knowledge or science. Yet, in the Black-Op World of the DoD, they do. Their method is if it works don't question it, just figure it out, and exploit it to their advantage as fast as possible.

Regarding UFOs/ETs. Some of you would like it to remain in the "It is only Swamp gas" era. Regarding things happening politically, some of you do not want to ever consider the fact that yes our government has participated in false-flag operations, and has lied to push an agenda. You can't even allow yourselves to consider it. Yet this is proven over and over.

Regarding this 2012 discussion and the possibility that our government is digging like crazy, you can't even consider it. You have the immediate knee-jerk reaction "That is Nuts! LooneyVille!" Imagine where we would be if people didn't step out, take risks, and ask inconvenient questions?

You would all like to just wave your hand and wish secret organizations away. That again is just crazy talk to you. Yet, our forefathers warned us against them. People leave and come out of these secret organizations and disclose how they think, and what they do behind closed doors, and the fact that these secret organizations have members throughout government, military, and yes perhaps even in the science community. Yet you poo-poo everything. If you can't see it for yourself and touch it and measure it then it must not happen. You want to dismiss all personal experience and testimony.

Doubting Thomases. Yet there is evidence. You just choose to ignore all of it that happens to be inconvenient to your World view. Who is truly bias? Yet, I'm willing to look at all of it before dismissing it. Yes, I understand you wouldn't get funded and you would watch grants disappear to do so. I understand this. Isn't that a great way to get people, and scientists to stay in line?

But, thankfully, some people are willing to look and ask the hard questions, and are not owned by money and worried about offending others. New ideas and technologies are discovered when they do so. I applaud those who do.

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Oct 19, 2010 - 01:29pm PT

Klimmer, please stop being a satan-worshipping commie.

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Oct 19, 2010 - 01:31pm PT

grammar and spelling don't really count on a public forum

Well, it like does if you like are trying to communicate, I think.

k-man

Gym climber

SCruz

Oct 19, 2010 - 02:04pm PT

IMHO, this is a lame OT post.

"Throw down Dude, or else I'm ...um..... Um, I'm gonna get bent!"

Really, what is the point. Are you gonna fire up LEB in the same way? How about others who can no longer climb due to various reasons, yet still have the pull and the love to post along with other climbers.

Here's a challenge. If you don't agree with what someone posts, then don't respond to their topics. Klim obviously has stirred up some thought with a lot of folks here (look at the number of posts on his threads), so I'm feeling they're worthwhile.

Meanwhile, I try to start threads that relate to climbing, and they quickly disappear off the pages. LOL...