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Cpt0bvi0u5
Trad climber
Merced CA
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Jul 14, 2010 - 12:52am PT
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It's 600ft away I don't see what the issue is. In this country people are allowed to worship any god(s) that they want. And just because the terrorist are of "Islamic" decent it seems as if everyone is throwing all the Muslims in the same boat as the terrorists which isn't right. And if we persecute a group of people for worshiping what they want that is just stooping down to a level that the terrorists would want. My 2 cents.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 14, 2010 - 12:59am PT
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I've been.
Not a lot of Churches....
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Cpt0bvi0u5
Trad climber
Merced CA
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Jul 14, 2010 - 01:20am PT
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I've been and it was a fantastic experience
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 14, 2010 - 01:27am PT
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Show of hands, who's been and travel in a Muslim Country
I've been too ....
and saw the beatings also.
They seem to treat the women like sh'it at times.
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R.B.
Trad climber
Land of the Volcanic Mud Flow
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Jul 14, 2010 - 01:43am PT
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I am all for the 72 (female please) virgins, except I want to be alive to enjoy them -- any volunteers? (hehe)
however, it is really in extremely poor taste and is bad judgement to think that the American people (the majority that is) would be OK with placing a mosque nearby within half the height of the former twin towers that the muslim exteme-o-terrorists purposefully destroyed.
If they are trying to win the "good samaratan" award ... they got a long way to go in my book.
PS- I don't care what religion you worship ... just keep it to yourself and live by the primary commandment "thou shall not murder" and that is exactly what those 19 chicken sh*t rat basterds did on Sept 11, 2001.
I will never forget, and you better not too!
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Tahoe City/Talmont , CA
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Jul 14, 2010 - 09:08am PT
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I will never forget, and you better not too!
Seems that statement is the driving force behind the hatred on both sides.
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Tahoe City/Talmont , CA
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Jul 14, 2010 - 10:22am PT
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Ron,
My neighbor has a pot-bellied pig as a pet.
Should she hate Jews?
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Jul 14, 2010 - 10:33am PT
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Coz, I lived in the Middle East for four years. I know many great Muslims.
Your (insert time frame) in Jordan made you an expert on international affairs?
For me, it would all depend on the TRUE motivation of the builders, and that's a hard thing to know. Do they really want to step away from radicalism and toward tolerance? Then build away.
If it's some kind of secret 9/11 celebration club, then send them packing.
I would think some serious investigating could reveal such motives.
Here's an interesting article about a couple truly "tolerant" Muslim Americans that say no to the project.
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2010/06/06/a_mosque_at_ground_zero/
That's right Ron, let's hate all Muslims. That should clear things up. Extremism on either side never helps. Even republicans should recognize that. A few hundred thousand dead civilians in the Middle East isn't enough pay back for you?
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cupton
climber
Where the past and future meet
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Jul 14, 2010 - 11:08am PT
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Hey y'all
I think a bunch of you are reacting without knowing or wanting to know any of the facts regarding this center.
Taken from the Cordoba Institute website (folks buiding the center):
Cordoba House is a Muslim-led project which will build a world-class facility that promotes tolerance, reflecting the rich diversity of New York City. The center will be community-driven, serving as a platform for inter-community gatherings and cooperation at all levels, providing a space for all New Yorkers to enjoy.
This proposed project is about promoting integration, tolerance of difference and community cohesion through arts and culture. Cordoba House will provide a place where individuals, regardless of their backgrounds, will find a center of learning, art and culture; and most importantly, a center guided by Islamic values in their truest form - compassion, generosity, and respect for all.
And I think Michael Bloomberg put it pretty well:
“If somebody wants to build a religious house of worship, they should do it and we shouldn’t be in the business of picking which religions can and which religions can’t. I think it’s fair to say if somebody was going to try to on that piece of property build a church or a synagogue, nobody would be yelling and screaming. And the fact of the matter is that Muslims have a right to do it too. What is great about America and particularly New York is we welcome everybody and I just- you know, if we are so afraid of something like this, what does it say about us? Democracy is stronger than this. You know, the ability to practice your religion is the- was one of the real reasons America was founded. And for us to say no is just, I think, not appropriate is a nice way to phrase it.”
Some of the knee jerk reactions on this site to Islam are quite insane and are very disturbing for me to read. I am an American currently living in a Muslim country and have only experienced honesty and kindness from my neighbors and folks I meet on the street. There are extremists and radicals in every religion including Christianity, Judaism and Islam but this does not mean everyone!! They (Muslims) have many questions about America and are desperately trying to understand us yet we are quick to lump an entire religion as blood thirsty backward barbarians. There is a huge misunderstanding and in my opinion this project is a step in the correct direction towards a greater appreciation of our two different cultures.
"We must learn to live together as brothers, or we are going to perish together as fools." -MLK
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 14, 2010 - 11:09am PT
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Ron you live in a vacuum and are climbing the Everest of intollerance and ignorance.
If you are going to continue to make such outrageous disparaging comments about Islam and the Quo-ran. Then you should be willing to quote chapter and verse rather than parrot Glen Beck's lunacy.
Did you know that the car bomb was a development of the Zionist Jews in Palestine. The engaged in all manner of terrorist activities. From targeted assassinations of high ranking British officials to blowing up hotels killing scores of innocent westerners. Yep, the car bomb is a Jewish invention!
And... there are passages in the Bible that legitimize sex with children for money as long as they are older than four years of age. And how about that poor kid in wyoming? Beaten, tied to a fence and left to die by some good ol Amercan redneck christians.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 14, 2010 - 11:30am PT
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cupton...gimme a break!
You don't see any bias there???
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cupton
climber
Where the past and future meet
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Jul 14, 2010 - 11:59am PT
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Ummm Blue...
I think YOU have a huge bias.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 14, 2010 - 12:46pm PT
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Ummm Blue...
I think YOU have a huge bias.
Ya think?
Do you think the Saudis would let me build a Catholic church near Mecca if I told them it was because I wanted to promote peace and cultural understanding?
Screw 'em!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 14, 2010 - 12:51pm PT
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Interesting that they call themselves 'Cordoba House'.
I guess they still have issues with being run out of Spain.
edit: I hadn't noticed that the good Fatty already noted this irony. :-)
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apogee
climber
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Jul 14, 2010 - 12:53pm PT
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Look out!
They're everywhere!
Run for the mountains!
MMMMMMMMMUUUUUUSSSSSSLLLLLLIIIIIIMMMMMMMSSSSSS!!!!!!!!111111666699
They're in your town.
They're in your neighborhood.
They're in your HOUSE!
They're petting your poodle! (nice doggy)
Get the gun and kill 'em all, even the ones that just look muslim!
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Gene
Social climber
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Jul 14, 2010 - 01:02pm PT
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The Cordoba reference is to a period about 800 years ago when that city was about the only place Muslims, Christians and Jews could coexist. Not a Utopia by any means, but something rare in world history.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 14, 2010 - 01:02pm PT
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I like the collective guilt idea.
They are all guilty, or guilty enough, so let's just round em up and imprison them.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 14, 2010 - 01:59pm PT
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Ron you have quoted nothing but Glen Beck weeping points. Your real time understanding of Islam and the Quo-ran is non existent.
You have no idea the debt western society owes to the Eastern world. During the oh so lovely and progressive dark ages in Europe it was the Arabic scholars who reverently cared for and maintained the religious papers, documents and gospels of all the regional religions. If it were not for the Arab scholars translating the biblical texts into greek all you good christians would still be trapped in the dark ages.
You probably won't eat freedom fries either.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 14, 2010 - 02:25pm PT
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Jeff, how much of the Zionist curriculum would you like me to post up?
No Ron you have not. You have regurgitated out of context and deliberately misrepresentation-al FOX news paraphrasing.
You know so little and fear so much.
And yes I have lived, peacefully, in an Arabic/Muslim nation. And this during the Iran hostage affair. No fear, no worries.
My family has a dynamic and ancient connection to the Middle East.
For my self personally, I am spiritually independent. Closer to being a Quaker than anything else.
I have no stake in any organized religion. For the most part I consider them all counterproductive regressive and repressive corporate control systems. But I think it is simplistic (right up your alley) myopic and imbecilic to condemn a whole faith with such a sloppy white wash.
For example; I can without hesitation or fear of being called anti-Semitic, condemn the extremists of the Zionist crusade. But I can not nor would I condemn the Hebrew faith or Jews in General. I can condemn the deplorable actions of the Westboro (unaffiliated) Baptist church without the need to make a blanket condemnation of the Christian faith. Radicals and extremist exist in every culture, faith and race. How many blankets do you need to feel safe?
ps; Ron, do you know what spell check does?
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 14, 2010 - 02:54pm PT
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Yes Jeff. Right here in Boulder, the People's Republic and Kumbaya capital of the world.
Synagogue teaching fear, hate and retribution against Arabs to children.
To be clear, they are fringe groups that are fairly shunned by other more tolerant synagogues. And I give them much credit for it. It is a bit of what you often ask for; moderate elements condemning radical ones. But you your self should know the pain and risk associated with a Jew speaking up against another or to advocate tolerance towards Palestinians.
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