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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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May 25, 2010 - 03:01am PT
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hey there say, tuolome_tradster, was there a post around somewhere on this picture... i never knew any of that...
learned some history from you all, this way...
*i did know about the bask, but only bits and peices... we knew a man of this decent, in south texas... he shared some interesting things with us, too.... just i had never known about the war aspects, or the picture, until i saw that thread here... (think it was here, due to some reason, the subject came up)...
thanks for the neat share...
:)
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Fluoride
Trad climber
Hollywood, CA
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May 25, 2010 - 07:20am PT
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I've seen worse. Way worse. Dead toddlers in dumpsters, floating dead bodies, the body of the wife killed in Cancun who was left in a sewer system as they pulled her from it (that was terrible). Samantha Runyon when her dead body was found off Ortega Hwy (that image was one of the most horrific things I've ever seen. She was only six yrs old and what that predator did to her...and how he posed her body...was the sickest thing I've ever seen in a long tv news career. Pure evil).
This photo is child's play. He's a bullfighter, he's taunting a bull and the bull fought back.
Go bull.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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May 25, 2010 - 07:33am PT
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things come full circle. i read this a long time ago and remember it being attributed to some french marquis playboy, but the google machine keeps attributing it to ernest hemingway:
there are only three sports--mountain climbing, motor racing and bullfighting. all the rest are games.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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May 25, 2010 - 08:41am PT
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Mtrophy, what do you expect? You stand up for tourtureing critters, your going to get some animosity sent in your direction.
I hunt, I grew up on a farm and butchered pleanty of animals for food.
Bull fighting is some exceptionaly sick shit!
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2010 - 08:58am PT
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Fluoride: I agree, this incident pales in comparison to the cruelty that one human can perpetrate on another, especially a child. In fact, this matador walked away from this and, as some have alluded to in this thread, got what he deserved.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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May 25, 2010 - 09:06am PT
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He absolutly got what he deserved. Does that mean that all of us omnivors deserve to be eaten at some point in our existence? possibly?....
Seriously there is a huge difference between respecting an animal, giveing a prayer of thanks and then killing and eating that animal VS the ritualized BS of makeing the bull fight a battle to the death that is rigged...
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brotherbbock
Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
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May 25, 2010 - 01:15pm PT
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No mater how or where it's done, sport killing of animals is for cowards
Wow Pate......I agree with you 100% for a change. This feels nice.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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May 25, 2010 - 07:26pm PT
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I use to believe like those who are opposed, then started seeing fights in Spain and immediately realized that in life - we are all of us doomed. For the Bull in the ring, he has a chance to go out like he is made to do, in a glorious fight. It would be my way too if forced to choose. Yes, 95% of the time he dies. Yet is it not a better death than the feedlot cattle forced to sit in filth all day? Yet do you not still eat them and thus support their slow horrible and agonizing suffering as they stand around in sh#t and urine all day while getting pumped full of antibiotics as they weaken and yet still grow fat until they are executed, having watched their brethren die right in front of them?
Floride said "I've seen worse. Way worse. Dead toddlers in dumpsters, floating dead bodies, the body of the wife killed in Cancun who was left in a sewer system as they pulled her from it (that was terrible). Samantha Runyon when her dead body was found off Ortega Hwy (that image was one of the most horrific things I've ever seen. She was only six yrs old and what that predator did to her...and how he posed her body...was the sickest thing I've ever seen in a long tv news career. Pure evil).
Humans do horrible things to each other, yes, and a few posters above are indicative of how that often starts out. Yes, I eat meat, and have eaten it from the ring and from the feed lot. Both ways, the animals die.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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May 25, 2010 - 07:35pm PT
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Personally I despise bull-fighting. Putting on a show while an animal is killed slowly and painfully is inhumane. If it's cultural, that's still pretty messed up. Doesn't mean it's o.k.
Where did bull fighting originate originally? Who brought it to Spain?
Comparing sport fishing to bull-fighting is utterly ridiculous. Not all animals experience trauma and pain the same way. Some suffer more than others.
The Japanese dolphin slaughter is despicable too. They KNOW and FEEL pain.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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May 25, 2010 - 07:43pm PT
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Sounds like you boys would have a full on conniption fit if you ever met a Minoan -
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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May 25, 2010 - 07:46pm PT
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... is inhumane
Humane? Human? It's very human to torture bulls in public. In the good ol' days, people would torture people in public for fun. What, you've never been to a hangin'? The kind where the guy kicks for a while was probably very entertaining just a hundred or so years ago.
Really, it's cruel and shows that humans are just dumb animals too. To suggest that it is not human or humane is silly since we torture humans to this day. Being a bull doesn't get you a get out of torture free card.
At least it's better than shooting deer for "sport". The bull get's to fight back.
Dave
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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May 25, 2010 - 07:52pm PT
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Really, it's cruel and shows that humans are just dumb animals too. To suggest that it is not human or humane is silly since we torture humans to this day. Being a bull doesn't get you a get out of torture free card.
At least it's better than shooting deer for "sport". The bull get's to fight back.
Hopefully you realize the error in that thinking. Maybe you're just trolling me...
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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May 25, 2010 - 08:23pm PT
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“The judge smiled. Men are born for games. Nothing else. Every child knows that play is nobler than work. He knows too that the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the skill and strength of the opponents and the humiliation of defeat and the pride of victory are in themselves sufficient stake because they inhere in the worth of the principals and define them. But trial of chance or trial of worth all games aspire to the condition of war for here that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all."
"Suppose two men at cards with nothing to wager save their lives. Who has not heard such a tale? A turn of the card. The whole universe for such a player has labored clanking to his moment which will tell if he is to die at that man’s hand or that man at his. What more certain validation of a man’s worth could there be? This enhancement of the game to its ultimate state admits no argument concerning the notion of fate. The selection of one man over another is a preference absolute and irrevocable and it is a dull man indeed who could reckon so profound a decision without agency or significance either one. In such games as have for their stake the annihilation of the defeated the decisions are quite clear. This man holding this particular arrangement of cards in his hand is thereby removed from existence. This is the nature of war, whose stake is at once the game and the authority and the justification. Seen so, war is the truest form of divination. It is the testing of one’s will and the will of another within that larger will which because it binds them is therefore forced to select. War is the ultimate game because war is at last a forcing of the unity of existence. War is god."
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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May 25, 2010 - 08:25pm PT
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What is your point, Paul???? Try to be clear and concise and use your own thoughts...
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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May 25, 2010 - 08:33pm PT
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Bluey wrote-
"What is your point, Paul???? Try to be clear and concise and use your own thoughts... "
How rich and laughable is that!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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May 25, 2010 - 08:39pm PT
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How rich and laughable is that!
Explain how it is rich and laughable. Explain...
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2010 - 09:19pm PT
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Anyone seen this documentary? Food Inc? http://www.foodincmovie.com/
Our nation's food supply is controlled by a handful of large corporations that put profit ahead of health, farmer livelihood, worker safety, and the environment. E Coli outbreaks are tied to the widespread practice of fattening Cows with corn rather than grass. Just about every item in the supermarket has some form of corn in it.
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