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rrrADAM
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LBMF
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Jan 17, 2011 - 02:49pm PT
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wes:Seriously, a new universe is born in every black hole. It is a whole new universe in there. This is some intriguing speculation, and there is no difference between the signularity of a black hole, and that that the universe 'banged' from.
Lee Smolin wrote a great book about this, The LIfe Of the Cosmos:
It is a really good book, with some thought provoking stuff, but it is 'still' speculation.
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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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Jan 17, 2011 - 02:53pm PT
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yes, an old(er) joke--and a lesson for gobee:
so three engineers are having a discussion about what kind of an engineer designed the human body.
"it must have been a mechanical engineer," said the mechanical engineer. "just look at it--all those muscles and bones, all that lever action, those rotating joints--a superb example of mechanical engineering!"
"no, no," said the electrical engineer. "look at what's governing it--nerves and sensors coordinating all the stimuli, processing it through that magnificent computer, the brain--it must have been an electrical engineer!"
"you're both wrong," said the civil engineer. "it was obviously a civil engineer. only a civil engineer would put a toxic waste duct through the middle of a recreation area."
 engineers 1: 1-11.
this is the process of literary tradition which preceded the invention of the printing press and the development of copyright law. it's how "sacred scripture" came down to the present--re-done, borrowed, embellished, worked over and distorted innocently and not so innocently by various "authors" and copyists, many of them with obvious personal agendas.
as i've mentioned before, bart ehrman, a leading bible scholar, started out as an honest, conservative, protestant christian, intent on serving god through scholarship. he eventually decided there was could be no hand of god concocting the unauthoritative literary mess popularly known as the bible, and he now counts himself a "happy agnostic". so it goeth.
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rrrADAM
Trad climber
LBMF
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Jan 17, 2011 - 03:06pm PT
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ID:"I guess the only thing left to do is save your soul, whatever that means."
Royal Robbins - Movie, 180 degrees South
Sounds like Royal's heart has been touched. Glory to God! Ummm... I guess you either 'ignored' or 'denied' the part in bold?
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rrrADAM
Trad climber
LBMF
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Jan 17, 2011 - 03:47pm PT
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You are in deep, DEEP, denial then my friend, as MUCH in there has been proven to be false.
And note that people who deny reality, are delusional.
de·lu·sion
noun
Definition:
1. false belief: a persistent false belief held in the face of strong contradictory evidence, especially as a symptom of a psychiatric condition
2. mistaken notion: a false or mistaken belief or idea about something http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861603557/delusion.html
I fear that there is no way out for you... That you are truely a 'lost cause', as you honestly do not care to understand ANYTHING that threatens your worldview.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Jan 17, 2011 - 03:59pm PT
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A woman from Los Angeles who was a tree hugger, a liberal Democrat,
and an anti-hunter, purchased a piece of timberland near Colville ,
WA
You forgot to mention she is also a witch. Burn the witch!!
Was the person who sent you the email a right wingnut, lunatic gun-nut, pro-no-corporate-oversight, anti-environment, anti-personal choice, pro-big government supporter who would rather live in a concrete jungle breathing in polluted air with no freedom from unwarranted search making next-to-nothing because the corporations don't care if the "little people" live miserable lives?
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go-B
climber
Revelation 7:12
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Jan 21, 2011 - 09:37pm PT
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Thank You
DEAR GOD:
I want to thank You for what you have already done. I am not going to wait until I see results or receive rewards; I am thanking you right now. I am not going to wait until I feel better or things look better; I am thanking you right now. I am not going to wait until people say they are sorry or until they stop talking about me; I am thanking you right now.. I am not going to wait until the pain in my body disappears ; I am thanking you right now. I am not going to wait until my financial situation improves; I am going to thank you right now. I am not going to wait until the children are asleep and the house is quiet; I am going to thank you right now. I am not going to wait until I get promoted at work or until I get the job; I am going to thank you right now. I am not going to wait until I understand every experience in my life that has caused me pain or grief; I am thanking you right now. I am not going to wait until the journey gets easier or the challenges are removed;
I am thanking you right now. I am thanking you because I am alive. I am thanking you because I made it through the day's difficulties. I am thanking you because I have walked around the obstacles.
I am thanking you because I have the ability and the opportunity to do more and do better.
I'm thanking you because FATHER, YOU haven't given up on me.
With God ALL Things Are Possible (Matthew 19:26)
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MH2
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Jan 22, 2011 - 03:59am PT
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a snippet from goB's missive just above:
"I'm thanking you because FATHER, YOU haven't given up on me.
With God ALL Things Are Possible (Matthew 19:26)"
An interesting pair of statments. Is it possible for God to give up on you, go-B?
The rest the go-B post can be condensed:
Parent reasures child, "Don't worry, things always work out okay in the end."
Child asks, "But what if they don't?"
Parent, "Then it's not the end."
from Canada's favorite storyteller
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Tung Gwok
Mountain climber
South Bend, Indiana
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Jan 22, 2011 - 11:48am PT
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Go-B,
Thanks for the post. I find gratitude to be the most difficult part of trying to live a Christian life.
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go-B
climber
Revelation 7:12
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Jan 23, 2011 - 10:36am PT
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John 10:27, My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
It doesn't depend on me, but on Thee!
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go-B
climber
Revelation 7:12
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Jan 26, 2011 - 08:19am PT
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Psalms 73:26, My flesh and my heart may fail,
but God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever.
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go-B
climber
Revelation 7:12
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Jan 29, 2011 - 10:23am PT
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O God of Our Salvation
To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. A Song.
Psalms 65:1, Praise is due to you, O God, in Zion,
and to you shall vows be performed.
2 O you who hear prayer,
to you shall all flesh come.
3 When iniquities prevail against me,
you atone for our transgressions.
4 Blessed is the one you choose and bring near,
to dwell in your courts!
We shall be satisfied with the goodness of your house,
the holiness of your temple!
5 By awesome deeds you answer us with righteousness,
O God of our salvation,
the hope of all the ends of the earth
and of the farthest seas;
6 the one who by his strength established the mountains,
being girded with might;
7 who stills the roaring of the seas,
the roaring of their waves,
the tumult of the peoples,
8 so that those who dwell at the ends of the earth are in awe at your signs.
You make the going out of the morning and the evening to shout for joy.
9 You visit the earth and water it;
you greatly enrich it;
the river of God is full of water;
you provide their grain,
for so you have prepared it.
10 You water its furrows abundantly,
settling its ridges,
softening it with showers,
and blessing its growth.
11 You crown the year with your bounty;
your wagon tracks overflow with abundance.
12 The pastures of the wilderness overflow,
the hills gird themselves with joy,
13 the meadows clothe themselves with flocks,
the valleys deck themselves with grain,
they shout and sing together for joy.
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kpinwalla2
Social climber
WA
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Jan 29, 2011 - 01:08pm PT
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Hey Go-B -
Why don't you just post the whole bible and get it over with...
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Jan 29, 2011 - 02:32pm PT
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No Need For A Bible
All that proof and still.. no god.
Treat humans like a human. No one human, no matter how upset or angry they may get, have the answer. The answer is found within, however, there never was a question in the first place.
All those sayings wrought with meaning for some, if spoken in space, or the middle of the desert or middle of the ocean, would have the same effect... Nothing at all. Serving to self console a human when they themselves choose it.
Why do some post quotes of scripture? Because they find it important to them at this moment. (if you ask yourself, you may find that it fits what they are thinking in this moment, and have no relevance beyond that, after all... time marches on and minds change in ways that are most unexpected) .
Throwing pebbles in a pond as metaphor: Pebble is good deed, action, or intention. Pond is everyone in the world.
How often do your pebbles have constant self-reverberation?
Your actions should lead to others actions, and on, and on.
Your intentions should lead to others intentions, and on, and on.
Your deeds should lead to others deeds, and on, and on.
This never needed a bible in order to be done. in order to be spoken. In order to be completed. In order to be learned.
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go-B
climber
Revelation 7:12
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Feb 12, 2011 - 10:53am PT
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Credit: Daily Readings from the Life of CHRIST, vol.3-John MacArthur
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go-B
climber
Revelation 7:12
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Feb 12, 2011 - 10:54am PT
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Credit: Daily Readings from the Life of CHRIST, vol.3-John MacArthur
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 12, 2011 - 11:20am PT
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 13, 2011 - 10:33am PT
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Feb 13, 2011 - 10:44am PT
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Good one.
Look, there's Go-B, and Werner, and madbolter, and illusiondweller!
No, Aunt Em, this was a real truly live place and I remember some of it wasn't very nice, but most of it was beautiful--but just the same all I kept saying to everybody was "I want to go home," and they sent me home! Doesn't anybody believe me? But anyway, Toto, we're home! Home. And this is my room, and you're all here and I'm not going to leave here ever, ever again. Because I love you all. And... Oh Auntie Em! There's no place like home!
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