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jstan
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Jan 15, 2011 - 01:21pm PT
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Jan, I think we are onto something.
Finger pointing is not a recent phenomenon.
Science is just a modern tool used to figure out where one needs to point.
Those who don't use science just have a list of favorite places they like to point.
No nasty experiments to do. And no chance of being surprised.
The human condition has finally been revealed.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jan 17, 2011 - 11:20am PT
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Forests are the first thing that goes when population becomes dense. And forests are the major mediator for ground water and the local disposition of incident solar energy.
jared diamond in his book collapse makes note of one place where they decided against this: japan, in the early 19th century. deforestation was becoming an obvious problem. it was checked by government decree. japan still keeps its forests and has been able to support a dense population alongside them.
japan is a wetter region, admittedly. the mediterranean is a different climate, and its deforestation came early. cutting forests seems to be in the european blood. when kaiser wilhelm ii went into exile in holland,
Much of his time was spent chopping wood (a hobby he discovered upon his arrival) and observing the life of a country gentleman. During his years in Doorn, he largely deforested his estate, the land only now beginning to recover.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Jan 17, 2011 - 11:50am PT
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Tony-
At the same time the Japanese were reforesting their country, they were denuding Korea which was a Japanese colony then. Korea is just now beginning to recover.
Which reminds me, and jstan will like this too, in terms of fingerpointing. The Koreans believe that the Japanese planted metal stakes throughout their country to disturb the earth's chi energy and cause the Koreans no end of problems. A few years ago, the Korean government spent a lot of money to have people go around with metal detectors to find and remove them. A lot of them looked like metal survey stakes to me, but what do I know?
Anyway, it's one of those many things in Asia that I put in the "don't know" category. I don't know if the Japanese did it on purpose, if it was a type of psychological war they waged, if it's random chance. I also have no idea if the earth has acupuncture lines that can have their chi disrupted as so many in east Asia believe and what this might have to do with the earth's magnetism etc. I also don't know if this would have something to do with North Korea's continuing craziness. Something sure disrupted something up there. Screwed up chi makes as much sense as anything. And I do know this should all be testable by modern science.
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jstan
climber
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Jan 17, 2011 - 12:09pm PT
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Amazing how much stuff to learn shows up here.
When the Japanese were staking out Korea after the Sino Japanese War in 1910 I don't see why they would have made the 38th parallel a demarcation line. Since the phenomenon in North Korea is so unlike that of South Korea, barring evidence to the contrary, I am not inclined to accept the stake hypothesis.
Without a doubt an invader coming in and staking out my farm would be adequate to generate hatreds able to last hundreds of years.
Do you suppose homo sapiens will ever start including this when they calculate the present value of the war they are about to start?
I'll repeat a story about hatred.
On a caving trip in Virginia a farmer allowed us to sleep in his hay loft. Talking the next morning he mentioned that his grandfather had had to take all his cattle into the hills every time Phil Sheridan had made a trip down the Shenandoah.
When you do injury to someone, count on it. The children of that person's children will curse your grandchildren- daily.
Edit:
HFCS=Klimmer?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Jan 17, 2011 - 12:16pm PT
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OMG. I thought everywhere knew about this already.
Chi disruption occurs NORTH of metal staking, chi enrichment occurs SOUTH of metal staking. BTW, a similar chi effect occurs with pyramid shapes, esp those containing metal, most of all Al. But here the positivity (enrichment of chi) is focused at center of pyramid. Those ancient Egyptian engineers were pretty smart, eh?
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This chi focusing of the pyramid (don't know about the metal staking) is also used to access the paranormal dimension. Tony might have insights in this area, too.
I have been wondering, too, is this why the Chinese have turned their attn to Egypt and the Sudan? Who really knows anything anymore. Agree. It's amazing how much stuff turns up on the Wild Wild Web.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Jan 17, 2011 - 12:22pm PT
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Aluminum does not conduct chi. Everyone knows that.
Maybe more stakes were planted in North Korea than in the south. Also they have a lot of iron ore up there, so it might have had a bigger effect.
Meanwhile, somebody better take a metal detector up to that UFO pyramid on Pike's Peak.
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jstan
climber
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Jan 17, 2011 - 12:28pm PT
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I have to ask. If there is more chi north of the 38th do you have to worry about chi squared up there?
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Jan 17, 2011 - 12:39pm PT
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You're asking a humanities and social science person about math ???
Meanwhile I just read over on the vocations thread that ydpl8s is an actual geophysicist who measures earth's magnetism, does calculations, and makes maps of it. Somebody should invite him/her to the discussion.
It's 3 am over here and I have to go to bed.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jan 17, 2011 - 12:58pm PT
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that, jstan, was a very very bad pun...
...go sit in the car with Mighty Hiker, that would be an appropriate punishment
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jstan
climber
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Jan 17, 2011 - 01:01pm PT
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I have finally made the big time!!!!!!!
Don't you think for a moment I missed the italics.
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Jan 17, 2011 - 01:11pm PT
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Jan, I am a geophysicist that makes maps of the earth's magnetic field (in fact I'm analyzing one right now for a project), but I have to admit a total ignorance of it's effect on Chi or any other higher plane of influence. Being a scientist, I tend to be convinced more by things that are repeatable through rigorous experimentation. That being said, I will be the first to admit that there are plenty of phoemonena out there that are not easily explained. I just happen to believe more in the view of the "Ocam's Razor" principle, (until proven otherwise, go with the simplest explanation).
I lived in South Korea for 1 1/2 years in the early 70's. At the time I was an air traffic controller in the Army and so I didn't have any knowledge of the metal stakes. However, the effect of the deforestation was very apparent. Hiking way back in the boonies, miles from any roads, the trees were all lined up in straight rows. I was told that this was from the country wide reforestation that was effected after the Japanese cut down most of the trees during the building of their war machine.
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MH2
climber
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Jan 17, 2011 - 01:21pm PT
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Thanks for showing up, ydpl8s.
And the worse the pun, the better id is.
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Jan 17, 2011 - 01:32pm PT
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Yes jstan, that's a mean trick to pull on this population.
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jstan
climber
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Jan 17, 2011 - 01:35pm PT
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We are back to the scorpion and the frog you know.
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go-B
climber
Revelation 7:12
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Jan 17, 2011 - 02:09pm PT
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From an email today...
Splinters in Her Crotch .
A woman from Los Angeles who was a tree hugger, a liberal Democrat,
and an anti-hunter, purchased a piece of timberland near Colville ,
WA .
There was a large tree on one of the highest points in the tract. She
wanted a good view of the natural splendor of her land so she started
to climb the big tree. As she neared the top she encountered a
spotted owl that attacked her. In her haste to escape, the woman slid
down the tree to the ground and got many splinters in her crotch.
In considerable pain, she hurried to a local ER to see a doctor. She
told him she was an environmentalist, a democrat, and an anti-hunter
and how she came to get all the splinters. The doctor listened to her
story with great patience and then told her to go wait in the
examining room and he would see if he could help her.
She sat and waited three hours before the doctor reappeared. The
angry woman demanded, "What took you so long?" He smiled and then
told her, "Well, I had to get permits from the Environmental
Protection Agency, the Forest Service, and the Bureau of Land
Management before I could remove old-growth timber from a
"recreational area" so close to a waste treatment facility. I'm
sorry, but due to ObamaCare they turned me down."
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Jan 17, 2011 - 02:12pm PT
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That's a gem, Go-B. Hahaha.
Fattrad will be posting it shortly on one of his threads.
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jstan
climber
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Jan 17, 2011 - 02:29pm PT
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It actually is a politization of an old joke.
What was god thinking when he ran a sewer through a recreational area?
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rrrADAM
Trad climber
LBMF
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Jan 17, 2011 - 02:29pm PT
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thaDood:"We should all pray and try to help the people in this world that find the pain of life to much to handle." JuanDeFuca
Actually, the OT spells it out quite clearly what we should do
if the 'pain of life is too much to handle':
"Give strong drink unto those about to perish,
and wine unto those with heavy hearts;
Let them drink to forget their poverty,
and remember their misery no more."
Proverbs 31:6-7
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rrrADAM
Trad climber
LBMF
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Jan 17, 2011 - 02:34pm PT
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OK, so where did the universe come from? what happened right before the Big Bang??
1) We don't "know". There is lots of speculation, but we just don't know. See, the thing is, 'not knowing' doesn't equal God. That is the 'God of the Gaps'.
We do however know quite well what happened at 10^-11 seconds after the Big Bang and on. In fact, from just minutes on, we know VERY WELL.
Maybe this is what happened 'just before':
http://flimmr.passagen.se/movie/family_guy_bigbang.action
OK... I answered yours, now you mine, fair enough:
What was God doing before he created the universe?
And for bonus points, why didn't he create it earlier?
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rrrADAM
Trad climber
LBMF
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Jan 17, 2011 - 02:43pm PT
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go-B:When God created the world perfect and the devil cheated us, God rather than wiping out everything He had made He sent His Son Jesus to restore us to God!
Ummm... And he waited literally thousands of years to do this, why?
And what of the souls of all those who came before Jesus 'saved them'?
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