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Treezypoof
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Cyberia
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Mar 25, 2019 - 09:39am PT
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Um,,,, Sloaper?
Unless he was being facetious
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Treezypoof
Trad climber
Cyberia
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Mar 25, 2019 - 09:52am PT
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Whoa........
I’ll leave you guys alone till fall
Have fun!
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Mar 25, 2019 - 09:59am PT
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OJ was vindicated too, he still went to jail.
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Sula
Trad climber
Pennsylvania
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Mar 25, 2019 - 01:23pm PT
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OJ was vindicated too ... Note that "found not guilty" is not the same as "vindicated".
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 25, 2019 - 01:33pm PT
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Mueller Just Gave Democrats a Gift. Will They Take It?
Scandal and impeachment were always political losers. Now the 2020 election can be about which party will improve the lives of more Americans.
By BILL SCHER March 25, 2019
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/03/25/mueller-report-democrats-226168
(Excerpts)
Trump is not going to be impeached. Trump is not going be hounded out of office early. Trump is not going to be branded a criminal in the court of the public opinion. The hope of short-circuiting the Trump presidency through legal channels is no more.
For the special counsel to have avoided any collusion-related charges is a clear victory for Trump. The coming victory laps are sure to be insufferable for Democrats to watch, but Democrats need to get over it.
By not alleging any illegal collusion, Mueller has liberated Democrats from chasing the impeachment unicorn, which was always a political loser and a substantive dead end. If the Democratic House ever impeached, the Republican Senate was never going to convict, and may not have even held a trial. Impeachment had appeal only to the Democratic base, while doing little for the voters in swing areas who just delivered Democrats the House majority and hold the key to retaking the White House.
His job approval has been underwater from the beginning of his presidency, and has remained so despite the growing economy. Democrats successfully ran against Trump’s health care and tax policies in 2018. Trump’s fondness for dictators, and white nationalists’ fondness for Trump, continues to disturb. Trump’s trade war is unnerving farm states. Democrats have plenty to say about Trump’s white whale of a border wall and his horrific policy of refugee child separation, and they are eager to challenge Trump on climate change. This is a target-rich issues environment for Democrats. They don’t need an indictment or an impeachment to make their case against Trump.
Today, Trump barely has a legislative agenda. In turn, Democrats have the opportunity to further the narrative that Trump is a threat to sustainable economic growth, middle-class prosperity and global stability. It won’t matter if Mueller had evidence of obstruction of justice. It won’t matter if the Southern District of New York finds campaign finance violations. It won’t matter if Trump’s inauguration committee took illegal payments or if the Trump Organization lied about its assets to Deutsche Bank.
Many voters won’t care that Trump is a grifter if they believe Trump has made their own lives better. The Democratic challenge is to show that he hasn’t. Thanks to Mueller, Democrats are a better position to do just that. Time to let it go.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Mar 25, 2019 - 01:44pm PT
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The funniest thing is Trump has to be the squeakiest clean Billionaire on the planet... I mean how many rich people over 70 could stand up to that kind of scrutiny for 2+ years of apparently no-holds-barred inquiry?
Imagine also if you were under that kind of spotlight and everyone you ever knew or did business with apparently is also free game for whatever transgressions they might have made in their lifetimes? Imagine if they could be grilled for things completely unrelated to the original "Russia is bad" premise.
Crazy stuff!
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Mar 25, 2019 - 02:22pm PT
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Imagine ,a President or any citizen ,who’s organization has had over 100 meetings with Russian nationals,some clearly dealt with this past election,One would have to be squeaky clean.
Or ,maybe hiring pornstars. Same.
Just appoint someone to deny that.
Imagine if we were talking about Obama.
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 25, 2019 - 02:43pm PT
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Obama was big big criminal too.
You brainwashed idiots will never learn .....
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Mar 25, 2019 - 02:44pm PT
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Reminder, the Mueller investigation was charged only with determining if there was a link, collusion, between the Russians and the Trump campaign team.
The summary we have says no collusion but also says possible obstruction of justice
There are two more major players, the investigative committees in congress, and the Southern District of New York who will determine and make public any civil and criminal findings as regards the President's behavior both before and after becoming President.
We already know that the President has committed two confirmed Felonies, both in violation of Campaign Ethics and Finance laws by paying off two women he had sex with in order to keep them quiet to they did not talk and thereby negatively influence voters.
Stay tuned, very probably more Felony findings to come....
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Mar 25, 2019 - 02:57pm PT
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And don’t forget the most recent charge filed against Trump by Stormy Daniels , assault with a dead weapon .
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Mar 25, 2019 - 03:36pm PT
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With a / no conclusion after such a denigrating investigation ,I am starting to believe you Werner.
Forgive my idiocy and I need a wash of my brain.
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jogill
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Colorado
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Mar 25, 2019 - 04:17pm PT
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"assault with a dead weapon. "
That's better than a live weapon, I suppose.
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dirtbag
climber
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Mar 25, 2019 - 04:39pm PT
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One thing to keep in mind is that prior to becoming ag, and writing the letter supposedly summarizing the mueller report, Barr was openly very critical of the investigation and wrote that a president is incapable of obstructing justice.
We need to see the full report.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Mar 25, 2019 - 04:43pm PT
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You have to remember that we are taking the word of a guy,that was placed because the guy before him ,who was appointed by the same guy,recused himself of being able to say what the current guy could say.
All because the appointer had fired the guy that wanted to investigate him,then fired his replacement,all to make room for the guy that would defend him.
Your right, no problem there.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Mar 25, 2019 - 04:51pm PT
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John Dean commented that Nixon would not have resigned if Barr had been his AG . This is what is known as lowering the Barr .
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Mar 25, 2019 - 05:30pm PT
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
Mar 25, 2019 - 02:44pm PT
Reminder, the Mueller investigation was charged only with determining if there was a link, collusion, between the Russians and the Trump campaign team.
So all those Americans prosecuted by Mueller's team were charged with collusion/conspiracy crimes?
Props for consistency.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Mar 25, 2019 - 05:36pm PT
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In other news, he just secured his win in 2020.
I predict his taxes go public sometime around 10/20 - with great expectation and contrived controversy - to the extent that pornhub sees about a 10 hour decrease in traffic.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Mar 25, 2019 - 06:05pm PT
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He is going to be a great President for a couple years.
Wait and see.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Mar 25, 2019 - 06:06pm PT
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.....to the extent that pornhub sees about a 10 hour decrease in traffic....
Nothing short of a giant meteor impact could accomplish that.... let's be realistic.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Mar 25, 2019 - 06:09pm PT
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So all those Americans prosecuted by Mueller's team were charged with collusion/conspiracy crimes?
Props for consistency.
sigh, Edward read Mueller's actual investigative directive
hint, he was allowed to pursue suspected wrongdoing uncovered through investigating collusion
stop depending on me for answers, learn how to read and use google....
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